Liquid Evil
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The silver in my eyes cuts through any lies.
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Post by Liquid Evil on Sept 23, 2008 22:57:44 GMT -5
Yeah, but if he's logged in "forever" like I am, whenever I go to this site, I'm logged in and don't appear to anyone as a guest. (Even if it's only for a moment before I head out the door) I like that you're thinking outside of post content, but I still think there's more than just that possibilty that he's mafia.
unvote: Jason I'll come back to someone.
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Post by raypatean on Sept 23, 2008 23:06:53 GMT -5
I really don't think that the silence ability would be used on Day 1. Day 1 is just random accusations thrown about, and nothing would be gained for the Dragons is they used it. It'd make much more sense to save it for later.
So, based on that, I don't like that muzzz has been on the forums and not posting. We don't get anywhere in this game unless people post.
Vote: Muzzz
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Post by water_moon on Sept 23, 2008 23:11:53 GMT -5
I certainly agree Muzz seems supicious, but that's what makes him less suspicious in my mind. He's broken the RNG on the mafia side so often that it's no doubt that he KNOWS how to play mafia. In his case being out of charater is a good sign in a twisted way... And what better target for the mafia to sclience than one who will draw suspicion naturally? O/c he could still be a dragon, but I really don't see the undead wasting it on themselves.
As for WHY cygie? Revenge is too easy to trace. I'm willling to bet it was somebody who likes numbers. People tend to view those who are simular in style in a more polerized manner. And to some one working ill, those who are best able to think like a given person are most likly to see when they are behaving differntly.
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Post by water_moon on Sept 23, 2008 23:33:35 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] SPEAKING AS ADMIN[/glow] the front page, at the bottom shows who has logged on in the last 24 hours, and Muzz is listed. He obviously was here, but didn't post anything publicly under his name. If he didn't need to post anything at all, there would be no reason for him to log in. He could have read the posts without logging in, so the only reason for him to log in would be to send a PM. This tells me he's voting to kill someone by PM during the night, which marks him as mafia. Click on his profile. He was here this afternoon. Please note anyone can change their account to stay invisable to all but staff. Forum stats are un-relable.
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Post by Nac Runo on Sept 24, 2008 4:38:47 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]SPEAKING AS HOST[/glow]
This forum is mainly active due to the mafia games that have been hosted and going on. Therefore it will certainly cause problems in the future if people go looking at others activity times to determine their role. Enabling the invisibility option is one case, however all staff members (including water_moon) will be able to see you activity regardless of that. This is something that should be for future games.
I will not allow any further discussion about this matter in this game. And this will certainly be a problem in future games.
Do not try to get anything out of my post. This is purely by observation of where the game is heading and i wish to stop it before any unjust event happens. Being a mafia player for most of my previous games i feel that this kind of discussion will ruin the actual point and fun of these games if it continues.
ADDED RULE: You are not allowed to base your accusations on someone being active or not between a certain time interval. I can not force anyone not to look at others activity but do not take it to the discussion.
An update regarding the voting:
Liquid: 2 votes (sitro, colorlessgreen) Muzzz: 2 votes (noodle, ray) water_moon: 1 vote (serdash) serdash: 1 vote (Nazdakka) Jason: 1 vote (Liquid)
Also to answer a few questions:
A priest is basically a cop who investigates the dead (doesn't matter the dead is a ghost or not). A investigation chance per night.
A ghost is a player who loses all the abilities he/she had when alive. Regardless of your role (priest, oracle etc), once you are dead you are as dead as any other. The ghosts only has the advantage of posting 3 posts per night and vote.
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Post by nolecub on Sept 24, 2008 8:21:26 GMT -5
Vote: water_moon
Fixing a technicality in voting procedures in my previous post.
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Post by bobthewarrior on Sept 24, 2008 10:36:47 GMT -5
W_M, who I accused of trying to muddy the waters, has made several good points. I see now that my skimming of the rules was not sufficient, and have re-read them. The witch’s revive ability takes effect before everything else, per the rules. It would make sense then, for the witch to hide night one and ensure their ability was usable on night two. Whether they chose to use their ability would depend on what form the first NK(s) showed. In this case, there was only one, and Cygnus showed human, so if I were the witch I would have no reservations in reviving Cyg, especially if I were feeling like a NK was around the corner for me, and at this point I believe that one of the enemy knows that someone hid night one, so pressure is being applied. Even if the witch dies tonight, the revive happens first. so can any one think of a reason why Cgynus might have a reason to stay active at night? If Cyg was a Dragonslayer or a Cleric, in which case he would’ve wanted to be killed, he wouldn’t have hidden. It’s possible he got killed by the wrong group, right? "someone was hiding in the cellar", could provide us with some helpful information In my mind, this is the most likely reason why there was only one NK, and therefore should be discussed. We won’t know who, by name, was targeted, but we can discuss the implications of what each role can do and if it would be prudent for them to hide night one. Then, figure out if it makes sense for each role to act tonight based on their abilities. Maybe the town can think of a reason for a role to act that the person with the role did not think about… So, everybody, why cygnus? At this point, I think the only answer is *shrug*why not*shrug*. Other than knowing his past successes in these games, what reason is there to kill anyone on night one other than 1) because they can and 2) because if they don’t, we really don’t have a game to play :grin: I don’t see the point in focusing on who died over who didn’t since it's reasonably to expect two kills per night with this setup. I’m beginning to think you’re the one steering the town in the wrong direction. ----- suspicions list (in no order) Colorlessgreen Nolecub Muzz
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SiTro
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Post by SiTro on Sept 24, 2008 10:45:12 GMT -5
Unvote: Liquid_Evil
Point made, kept my word.
Don't have much time for too long a post at the moment, but some things have caught my eye.
water_moon makes a very good point asking why cygnus was killed last night. The best play for a townie to my mind is to hide in the cellar on the first night to guarantee making it through to the first day. Either cygnus had a role and was being active, or he doesn't think the same way I do on the game theory.
It was interesting to see the reactions to my spurious vote. liq recognised it, which is good as I'm not suspicious enough of him to put a serious vote his way.
colorlessgreen worries me. He followed my vote on liq and there's something about his posts that doesn't sit right with me. At the moment I'd be happy to leave this vote on him till sunset:
Vote: colorlessgreen
(I'm not sure anyone's used the iconic phrase "I'm sure of it" yet today)
I don't trust nolecub either.
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Liquid Evil
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The silver in my eyes cuts through any lies.
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Post by Liquid Evil on Sept 24, 2008 11:35:06 GMT -5
Since I trust Sitro more than any other townie right now and colorless_green was on my shortlist, I'm getting on board that lynch wagon.
Vote: Colorless_Green
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Post by nolecub on Sept 24, 2008 11:59:17 GMT -5
Unvote:water_moon
Vote:colorless_green
w_m did not become defensive at all with my accusations which pushes her over to the townie side for me.
The bandwagon vote of c_g is suspicious. However, my vote lays more into trying to protect the ex-hero whose votes count twice. With such a narrow margin atm between lynch suspects, it will be pretty easy to figure out who the ex-hero is. Should we lose him, there would be no back up for the Oracle, and false claims could disrupt the town.
The only other option at this point would be muzzz. Normally, a non-contributor should be lynched quickly as they hinder the town more than they help. However, with the addition of the silence role, more caution should be used here, until muzzz is able to post. Of course, if this isn't done early enough on day 2 or sometime today, a lynching will come a calling.
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Post by jrlafrance on Sept 24, 2008 12:05:24 GMT -5
Lots of good points brought up by several people so far. I'm having a hard time trying to wrap my head around all the possibilities, thus far.
Based on what has already been discussed so far:
VOTE: COLORLESS_GREEN
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Post by nolecub on Sept 24, 2008 12:20:52 GMT -5
Remember not to edit your posts jrla.
What exactly are your thoughts at this time? You rationalize your vote based on what everyone else has said. At least Liq stated that it was a bandwagon vote. What points presented so far do you agree with? Disagree with? Allow us to enter your mind.
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Post by jrlafrance on Sept 24, 2008 12:42:26 GMT -5
HAHAHAHA! Enter my mind? You must be kidding! or crazy! After giving the last couple of pages a re-read, I'm not so sure of my vote now. CG didn't have any votes, as of not that long ago. However, he did cast a vote LE's way. LE, changed his vote to CG, and Sitro followed suit, changing his vote from LE. There may be a three-way thing going on between these guys, but I'm unsure right now. Muzzz is an interesting subject, still no response from his at this point (I'm assuming Day1 will end soon). I like the way noodle and LE play the game, very odd, in their own ways. W_M makes some interesting points, and bring thing into the open from a different perspective. I had my suspicions about her the last game, and they were proved wrong. She is playing the game the same this round...not on my "Mafia" radar right now. Bob has said a few things that sound like they are trying to deflect attention (onto W_M). Jason has had a few statistics that are based on his "feelings", but don't necessarily hold water...not sure what to think about him. Ray has a couple of posts, but not a whole lot of substance, other than to parrot what LE says. Possible evil. Others, not much to base an opinion on thus far.
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Post by Nac Runo on Sept 24, 2008 13:27:41 GMT -5
Just a bit over 2.5 hours for the end of the day. The current update for the votes:
colorlessgreen: 4 votes (sitro, Liquid, nolecub, jrlafrance) Muzzz: 2 votes (noodle, ray) Liquid: 1 vote (colorlessgreen) water_moon: 1 vote (serdash) serdash: 1 vote (Nazdakka)
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Post by water_moon on Sept 24, 2008 14:13:19 GMT -5
CG was certainly on my short list, and I'd really like to give muzz a chance. It's simply too dangerous to stay quiet if you don't have to and even more deadly to claim sclience when it could be used against another and disprove your claim.
Liquid is as usual setting off my twitch radar. And there's no point in venence voting for the heck of it. Or trying to point out other suspicions with so little time left in the day.
Vote: Colorless Green
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