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Post by Nazdakka on Sept 24, 2008 14:50:48 GMT -5
Strange bandwagon. It started with this:
...and then everyone else simply jumped on the wagon with little explanation beyond "He's on my list", "Based on the above", and "I want to prevent a draw". I know from last round that C_G will probably not have been around to defend himself during the hours when the wagon was forming, so how do we know that he isn't a townie power role? It's too late to stop the wagon now, of course... but it feels like everyone kind of just went with the flow too easily.
Tomorrow, once we know C_G's alignment, I think we'll have learnt something useful.
PS: I think Water_Moon's idea of the Witch doing her thing tonight is a good one.
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Post by nolecub on Sept 24, 2008 15:17:48 GMT -5
Would someone please explain why it would be beneficial for us for the witch to rez Cyg or today's lynch tonight?
The only way I see, is that it would cause the 2 groups to waste a NK on taking Cyg out again. Plus, there is a possibility that both groups would target Cyg, resulting in only one NK, or even none if the rezzed went to the cellar.
One way or the other, I stand corrected. I see more benefits for us with a rez tonight than later.
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Post by Noodle on Sept 24, 2008 15:35:14 GMT -5
With only two votes, it's clear Muzzz (my choice) won't be lynched tonight. I don't see the rationale for whacking C_G, although if he's a townie it will increase the level of suspicion I have for certain other people.
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Post by jrlafrance on Sept 24, 2008 15:49:09 GMT -5
The fault with that logic, is that the bad guys won't know the witch will resurrect that person.
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Post by nolecub on Sept 24, 2008 15:59:54 GMT -5
They cannot NK the person being revived until the following night. Everyone will know who was revived by then.
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Post by jrlafrance on Sept 24, 2008 16:01:47 GMT -5
I see what you mean now, thanks for the clarification!
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Post by water_moon on Sept 24, 2008 16:04:01 GMT -5
and that person will have a chance to give their insights! You kill those who are dangeours to yourself. At least we'll have a DAY to hear from them. And possibly two days if the bad guys assume that they'll spend the day in the cellar and nt target them.
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Post by Liquid Evil on Sept 24, 2008 16:47:08 GMT -5
PS: I think Water_Moon's idea of the Witch doing her thing tonight is a good one. Why? Wouldn't it be better to bring back a confirmed role and not some "random"? Nothing I read in the rules made me believe they wouldn't have their abilities once again when revived. Doing that would save an NK or get the town another investigation (if the revived was the Oracle). This is because both groups would have to target the confirmed Oracle a second time to 100% ensure a death. They couldn't leave it up to the other group because the other group might be wanting to leave it up to the other group. Make sense? The town gains an investigation from the Oracle or gets one less NK than they otherwise would. *OR* the scum groups disregard this and still rely on the other to kill and one does and one doesn't. Risky though. Also, wouldn't it be better to at least have the witch revive someone in such a fashion as so the undead group doesn't know to avoid using their recruitment ability...i.e. not explicitly stating that xxx night will be the one chosen to revive someone so we have the possibility of wasting the undead's ability? Am I understanding the revive/recruit ghost abilities correctly?
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Post by water_moon on Sept 24, 2008 17:12:57 GMT -5
the only way to get a proven role back is for the priest or hero to come out. And that's dangerous to say the least...
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Post by water_moon on Sept 24, 2008 17:15:39 GMT -5
plus we don't have time to wait, by the time a lynch is confirmed in a roll they can be converted.
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Post by Nac Runo on Sept 24, 2008 17:33:06 GMT -5
Day 1 is over...
After a bloody discussion and fist fight, you see someone dragging Colorlessgreen by the hair to the town center. "Ready the torches!" he shouts, "We are gonna burn the soul out of this traitor". In a hurry, big pile straw is stacked next to the big man. He throws a solid punch into colorlessgreen's face and than tosses his unconscious body over the hay stack. Just at the same time you see a few torches flying to turn everything into blaze. When the grilled meat smell makes your stomach hurt, you see something that makes it far worse; A transparent figure very much like colorlessgreen levitates above the fire and grins towards the crowd.
Colorlessgreen is lynched and now a ghost. He has three posts per night starting this one. He was human.
Good night everyone, Nac.
NOTE: Night time is 24 hours.
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Post by Nazdakka on Sept 24, 2008 17:34:03 GMT -5
EDIT: Nightfall.
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Post by colorlessgreen on Sept 24, 2008 20:00:21 GMT -5
BOO!GG everybody, this is exactly how you go about winning. Those of you who said you were going to be looking at the bandwagon should do so, but I have a few things I want to point out first as the one and only confirmed townie in the game: (1) Muzzz - probably is innocent, and likely was a target of the silence ability. Night one is IMO the best strategic time to use the ability because people who don't speak much at the beginning frequently attract attention, and making someone suspicious is the best use for the ability (silencing someone because they're on the right track mid-game is basically going to prove to everyone that they're on the right track.) Muzzz would be a good choice for this because of his RNG hax causing people to think he's mafia-esque already, and his mafia style frequently involves laying low. It's possible he's playing a wine-in-front-of-me/wine-in-front-of-you, but that doesn't really seem his style to me. (2) Liq - still suspicious for all the reasons I said before, and add to it his revenge-vote of me and his position-shift (as I read it) from: colorlessgreen- Nothing too out of the ordinary. I agree with his probability choices to: colorless_green was on my shortlist ...as soon as someone else makes the first move. He should be the second person you lynch. As for the first: The bandwagon vote of c_g is suspicious. However, my vote lays more into trying to protect the ex-hero whose votes count twice. With such a narrow margin atm between lynch suspects, it will be pretty easy to figure out who the ex-hero is. Should we lose him, there would be no back up for the Oracle, and false claims could disrupt the town. I am as close to positive as I get in games like this that he is mafia. This is a steaming pile of excrement. He states that the bandwagon is suspicious, and never mentions any sort of suspicion of me, and yet does not even remotely hesitate to jump on. His stated reason for joining is even more BS. If you just lynch non-suspicious people at random in order to protect one rather limited power role, you might as well just give up now. He's just launching at the first relatively-plausible-at-first-glance reason he can to jump on a bandwagon. For that matter, at the time he voted for me, the votes were: Me: 2 votes (Liquid, SiTro) Muzzz: 2 votes (noodle, ray) water_moon: 2 votes (serdash, nolecub) Liquid: 1 vote (Me) serdash: 1 vote (Nazdakka) He'd been going on and on about muzzz being suspicious all day already, why'd he go with me instead when our votes were tied (and there'd been a lot more speculation about muzzz being mafia)? At this point, I'm inclined to think he's on the same team as liq (they've been pretty friendly so far - go check back on their posts in relation to one another). So, long story short, lynch nolecub right now, and then lynch liq next. Vote: Nolecub-CG OOGA BOOGA!
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Post by Nac Runo on Sept 25, 2008 16:23:43 GMT -5
You wake up from your sleep by the shouts coming from outside. Its not even dawn yet but you need to rub your eyes due to the immense light coming from outside. After a few seconds you realize that it is Sitro's house that is on fire. The town people are running around in order to put it out. You join the crowd without giving much thought to what you are doing.
When all is over there is only a pitch black emptiness in place of what was once Sitro's home. No body has hope that Sitro is alive even though his body is nowhere to be found. All the town people lay exhausted next to the wreckage. Than someone breaks the silence: "Where is Jason?" Night 2 is over and Day 2 starts. Sitro and Jason are dead. Both of their bodies are in human form. Enjoy the day Nac.
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Post by water_moon on Sept 25, 2008 16:28:32 GMT -5
Jason was a stats man, as was Cyg. I'm willing to bet they were both wacked by the same group.
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