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Post by soylentred on Feb 19, 2009 19:02:50 GMT -5
coming out of timeout to poke my nose in. Goltar used the O word first. He called Liquid arrogant and offensive and Liquid just responded to that comment by saying that was his middle name. back in the corner...
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Post by goltar on Feb 19, 2009 19:13:04 GMT -5
Nah, I'll pass for now. Let's analyze what we've got. Assuming only one attempted NK (I'll ignore the possibilities of serial killer with doctor save and the like at the moment), that gives us several hints about the mafia. They could know w_m is fairly analytical, and thus a threat. Why not someone else, like liquid? Could be that liquid is one of them, could be that liquid tends to get lynched mid way through and isn't worth their time. what the hell... in that post you start on LE out of the blue. ''Gee why wasn't LE killed, maybe he's one of them''.. So you're saying that because LE wasn't killed in night one he's an automatic suspect? Moreso then others? Yes, I know you can say everyone is suspicious and you're only sure of your own role, but why pick on LE then? Because you know he's a good lynch target early on? Because you want him to sound suspicious from the get-go? Read the second part of the sentence of mine you quoted. The latter of the two. I wouldn't argue with a doc save, but since you're now out to get me, and the town always listens to you, I'm fairly safe from NK anyway, as I'm likely to be perceived as an easy lynch. Though a doc save would be nice, as it would almost prove my townie status. Wait, so you're sure you're a good lynch target, which following your own train of thought will keep you fairly safe from a NK. How would a doc save prove your townie status?? If the doctor saves me, that means the mafia targeted me (as before, assuming no serial killer or the like). And they're not likely to target one of their own, especially in this small of a game. It's not a 100% proof, but fairly close.
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Post by Nac Runo on Feb 19, 2009 19:34:38 GMT -5
goltar: by doc save you mean a doc 'save'. I didn't get it first time but you actually meant doc succeding to save you from a NK although you just said you are a bad target for the mafia with liq going after you. i think you are far from giving towny vibes for the first day, doc is unlikely to help you. @liq: would you tell us what you have on ray? I can nor judge how serious you are on this. SiTro: define troubling. most likely answer is no since any bit of info is hard to reject.
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Post by raypatean on Feb 19, 2009 19:41:47 GMT -5
Liq is taking my supposed "Confession" a bit too seriously. If he wants to take it literally, then he should be looking at yourself since I called him out as mafia too.
I'm not sure where he's getting the connection between myself and Goltar either. If anything, he is trying to distance himself from Goltar with the whole offensive/arrogant banter.
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Post by raypatean on Feb 19, 2009 19:52:40 GMT -5
Everything Liquid has been saying is all "gung-ho town!! Yay town! WE MUST PREVAIL!!!" but everything he's doing is just hurting the town. He's focusing solely on two people, and trying to keep the town only looking at Goltar and I. This is a great tactic to use to keep from making their own observations and from seeing the real suspicions that are going on behind his curtain of distraction.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go join the more taste league and have myself a beer.
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Post by Liquid Evil on Feb 19, 2009 20:38:21 GMT -5
@ Nac- I'm dead serious about both of them. Reread their posts and tell me they have contributed in a manner that is condusive to getting mafia lynches. You can't. It's nothing but reverse psychology nonsense and non-content material. Now they are both grasping at straws with an appeal to emotion (goltar) and trying to discredit me by saying I'm hurting the town (Ray) without supplying any evidence to support that idea. I'm all for flinging sand, but there's usually a method to my madness. We are this far into day 1 and there's been no real contributions from either that were aimed at trying to ID suspects, even with my prompting.
Ask yourself if this is in goltar's character to get overly dramatic when he gets pushed up against a wall. People exhibiting this behavior are almost always mafia that are pulling out all the stops in an attempt to save themselves. "Quit picking on me or else!" Everyone has seen this before, and he should be getting more flack for it than he is currently.
I guess we'll see if I am actually hurting the town when we see what they bleed. But the three of us (and their teammate) know that mafia pumps through those their veins. I also still maintain that Ray Patean should be lynched today so we can see who doesn't immediately follow suit. Their final teammate will have to be doing some pretty sweet talking to get them out of trouble if we start to tread this path, if they decide not to immediately cut them loose to distance themselves. Either way, this is the right direction to finding their last member.
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Post by gorny on Feb 19, 2009 20:39:52 GMT -5
vote: sint
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Post by Noodle on Feb 19, 2009 21:08:37 GMT -5
I am not getting a mafia vibe from Liquid, but I'm not convinced he's on the right track in suspecting Goltar and Ray. I doubt Ray would be brazen enough to claim mafia, even jokingly, if he were indeed mafia. I figure he was either just joking around, or possibly the village idiot.
I do suspect sint. Immediately after daybreak, he asked me how many mafia I thought there were, a question which no townie could possibly know the answer to.
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Post by goltar on Feb 19, 2009 21:10:09 GMT -5
goltar: by doc save you mean a doc 'save'. I didn't get it first time but you actually meant doc succeding to save you from a NK although you just said you are a bad target for the mafia with liq going after you. i think you are far from giving towny vibes for the first day, doc is unlikely to help you. I'm not really trying to give any vibes at all, I'm just going for the win. But you were probably right earlier, I did overreact. That's my personal issue. Unvote: Liquid Evil@ Nac- I'm dead serious about both of them. Reread their posts and tell me they have contributed in a manner that is condusive to getting mafia lynches. You can't. It's nothing but reverse psychology nonsense and non-content material. Now they are both grasping at straws with an appeal to emotion (goltar) and trying to discredit me by saying I'm hurting the town (Ray) without supplying any evidence to support that idea. I'm all for flinging sand, but there's usually a method to my madness. We are this far into day 1 and there's been no real contributions from either that were aimed at trying to ID suspects, even with my prompting. Are you oblivious? Look at reply #30. Before you posted anything, I was already analyzing and attempting to find something useful. You want evidence behind ray saying you're hurting the town? Here's your evidence. You are ignoring analysis and reason, and going on blind assumptions. I'm sorry that my responses to your questions have been insufficient, but they're the best you'll get, as it's the best I've got.
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Post by soylentred on Feb 19, 2009 21:27:17 GMT -5
I'm confused. When Goltar acts like he wants to be lynched everyone says back off because he might be the VI. When Ray says he is mafia with Liquid - no one says he might be the VI so back off. And also Liquid how do you accept or pretend to accept parts of Ray's statement selectively or encourage us to. You want us to believe the part of Ray's statement where he says he is mafia, but not the part where he says you are also. I don't think you can have it both ways. If you want us to believe Rays false statement we have to consider you mafia also.
We need a lynch today.
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Post by Nazdakka on Feb 19, 2009 21:46:06 GMT -5
...confused, day 1...
...if anything more intelligent comes to mind, will make it known tomorrow after work...
...Liquid has at least created an interesting situation, although I take everything he says with a huge pinch of salt...
...currently Goltar is possible suspect...
...deeply suspicious of Soy's avatar, suspect that it is infecting my mind with an evil virus...
...the end... ...for now...
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Post by soylentred on Feb 19, 2009 21:51:56 GMT -5
Gee Naz come again when you can stay longer.
I think the only person who has not shown up yet is Ludacris.
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Post by FIREHORSE on Feb 19, 2009 22:09:43 GMT -5
I think Liquid is putting too much emphasis on Ray's confession. If he were mafia it would be a foolish statement to make. On the flip side if he's mafia he may say that knowing we may not suspect him. It's a risky move that may or may not pay off but I think it too risky in any case.
Liquid is smart enough to know that so why beat this dead horse so much? Liquid seems enthusiastically pro town to me but his points are nonsensical. At this rather than vote for any of them I'm simply not convinced by the arguments put forth by either side.
VOTE: Ludicras
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Post by soylentred on Feb 19, 2009 22:21:35 GMT -5
Voting Ludacris is a smart move for the town. You know he is not your cop or doctor or he would have shown up by now. Unfortunately that also means he is probably not mafia either. He seems like a safe lynch to not lose one of our power townies.
Noodle I agree with much of what you say about LE and also his suspicions.
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Post by Noodle on Feb 19, 2009 23:26:19 GMT -5
Naz is taking a real safe position. Mafia in hiding?
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