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Post by goltar on Mar 6, 2009 12:39:40 GMT -5
My ORIGINAL win condition was that the mafia win over the town. That got changed night 3 into I have to get into the mafia. So that's why I changed my approach. Otherwise, I was just going to lay low the whole game and throw confusion. But with the new setup, I was basically a backup mafia, and would replace Nac, even if he was the last remaining mafia.
I didn't save myself because I was away from the computer and didn't see it in time. When I last saw things, I was fine. When I came back, I was jailed. And I didn't catch any direct hints, but I did notice that the two of you trusted me a bit too much after day 1. I assumed there was a good reason Nac was voting for you though, so I just followed along.
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Post by soylentred on Mar 6, 2009 12:42:38 GMT -5
Nole what you said about the first 4 roles happening to be scum- I knew it had to be random role assignment but that pattern could not be ignored. It made me suspect Goltar first for being our groupie. And his note was very well written - 3 commas in one sentence done correctly. I read through all the posts for writing skills and I was pretty sure either Goltar or Firehorse wrote the note.
Anyone care to figure the probabilities of the first 4 being scum when drawn randomly?
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Post by soylentred on Mar 6, 2009 12:45:41 GMT -5
Goltar - we were calling you our sheep and both Ray and I set out to use the word sheep in a post. When we found out you were not a sheep but a groupie, I left two posts with the word groupie (the town needs to act as a group ie ....) and another just before my lynch where I called groupie's 'R Us for some last minute support.
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Liquid Evil
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Post by Liquid Evil on Mar 6, 2009 12:45:48 GMT -5
A lot of wild roleclaims this round, but I was long dead before they really started taking off. I missed the boat on Soy (until about a min before I was NK'd), but I was definitely rooting for her lynch the day after that stall tie vote garbage. @ Nole- Yeah, Nac always seems to be up to no good, and Nac always seems to be one of the final few players so I'll definitely get behind his 3-day-death. Anyway, thanks for the host; it was pretty sweet to see the mafia cop role used, and I liked most of the role choices. Mafia bomber seems a might too powerful, but meh. The town seems pretty gg no matter what is thrown at it.
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Post by soylentred on Mar 6, 2009 12:55:05 GMT -5
Nole - did Goltar's win condition change because we tortured him?
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Post by nolecub on Mar 6, 2009 13:05:35 GMT -5
No. That was always goltar's win condition. He just was not told about it at the beginning. He needed to feel "slighted" that he was helping the mafia, but not a member.
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Post by water_moon on Mar 6, 2009 13:49:32 GMT -5
Also, Nac has officially replaced Liq on my "must-be-lynched-if-still-alive-on-day-3-rule." Amen to that!! First off he is ALWAYS mafia. Not like muzzz being mafia most games, but always mafia. (He was a mafia witness in one game, but he has NEVER been a plain old townie, he's always had something to hide) And never on suspect lists. HELLLOOO if he's using his usual posting style it should be a flaming target, because he's never plain town!!! Second off, he used to be bad at false roll claims... he's gotten practice, in case no one noticed last round's "I'm not only team 2000, I'm a power role!" (but I'm really 80's and going to give hints left an right to the 80's players.) Which means while he may not be able to ogristrate the leadership power of LE, he's just too dang good at stayn' alive. I saw 100s of arguement holes, even in Liquid's posts (I figured soylent before Ray) and would have been glad to point them out. And that would probably be why I was NK'ed day one. Sppeeaaaking of which.....*gives evil eye*
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Post by soylentred on Mar 6, 2009 14:24:45 GMT -5
Water for all the theories of why you were NK'd first it was not any of that. From the note we had from our groupie - we examined all of the writing styles and determined that even tho you are brilliant, you did not write that note. It was our only safe NK that first night.
And, Firehorse no the NKs were not going in a specific pre-determined order. You did correctly identify me as the mafia suicide bomber -good one. And you had the best quote from this game and one I intend to steal with ' a few clues short of a colonel mustard'
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Post by Noodle on Mar 6, 2009 14:31:17 GMT -5
Great game, all. Real nail biter down to the last day.
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Post by Nazdakka on Mar 6, 2009 15:31:15 GMT -5
As I stated previously, the game was stacked against the town. I believe the town is 4-1 here in games now. The no-lynch rule is usually for mafia benefit. Fair enough - my problem, I think is less that it's unfair on the town and more that it's annoying. The sub-game that results, with all the last-minute shenanigans, IMO is just not much fun for either side, and detracts from what I see as the core of the game.
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Post by soylentred on Mar 6, 2009 17:52:50 GMT -5
As I stated previously, the game was stacked against the town. I believe the town is 4-1 here in games now. The no-lynch rule is usually for mafia benefit. Fair enough - my problem, I think is less that it's unfair on the town and more that it's annoying. The sub-game that results, with all the last-minute shenanigans, IMO is just not much fun for either side, and detracts from what I see as the core of the game. Naz that no lynch could benefit either side. If I had been the cop and knew Ray was the doctor - who can say that tyimg the game up would not have been a smart move for the town. Who can say now that me dancing as fast as I could with my funny valentine role claim was not fun.
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Post by muzzz on Mar 6, 2009 17:56:26 GMT -5
Nice round. Pretty well played by the mafia, especially Nac. I didn't suspect him until his shrink claim. Liq also deserves mention for backing Ray into a corner, way ahead of schedule. That helped a lot. I liked the roles. Both the real and the fake ones. Although some of you need to hold back on the fake details a bit Note to the next batch of mafiosi: please keep me alive a little longer than this round. I really enjoy the endgame. Besides, I'm not nearly as dangerous as Liq :badteeth: @soy: being the cause and object of a no-lynch is pretty bad for the cop and doctor. Preferably, the town shouldn't need to suspect them too much.
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Post by FIREHORSE on Mar 6, 2009 18:16:04 GMT -5
Thanks to Noleclub for hosting. I really enjoyed the game and happy to last a while so I was able to play it out. I feared that Ludicras would cost us the game at the end by non voting however he came through.
When Goltar was lynched I honestly thought there was 1 Mafia left - not two. And Nac topped my list. I wanted to switch my vote off Goltar to Nac. I wonder how that would have played out.
Nac dead - Goltar becomes Mafia King pin drug lord.
At the end though when Ludicras waivered with his vote I knew he was Town and knew Nac was Mafia. I just had to convince Ludicras~~~~ <Rolls Eyes>
I actually did incorporate a strategy this game which may or may not have worked.
Early on I susected Ray, Soy & Goltar but not Nac Runo. It was not until the night of Goltar's lynch thatvoices in my head were telling me to cast a vote that way.
Kudos to Soy's Valentine story. Sounded bizarre but her icon matched her story. Pretty witty there Soy.
There were lots of role claims. I think Ludicras & I were the most boring of the bunch!
Looking forward to next time.......
- Firehorse
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Post by water_moon on Mar 6, 2009 19:12:33 GMT -5
Early on I susected Ray, Soy & Goltar but not Nac Runo. No One expects the Spanish inquisition. (or Nac Runo)
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Post by Nac Runo on Mar 6, 2009 19:37:19 GMT -5
Including this game i think i was mafia in 6 out of 7 rounds i played. And in that 7th i was a witness that got NK'ed the very first night, meaning i never posted a message on these rounds without mafia role . I don't have any idea how that happens, but a note to the next host, please let me be a simple plain townie :angel: Getting me killed before day three, hmm, i should make sure to NK w_m before that and i should be fine .
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