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Post by sint on Dec 6, 2008 13:35:19 GMT -5
sint - I was writing as I was thinking in my last post. It occured to me that instead of trying to find the mafia, if I found the townies the mafia would be obvious. Is that Occam's razor? No it's not the same. If we're talking about mafia then all we can take is the words people use. If you find townies then we cannot use any words you use to slay the evil (melodramatics do good).. You can only be sure about someone if you smoke em out. If you do not confront the mafia you cannot be sure. If you ''find townies'' no one has to reply to you. Anyway, since both goltar AND ric voted for bassano I'm pretty sure I'm right on target. Either one of you (goltar/ric) is mafia and if you vote together one of you is likely sacrificing a partner. We'll see about that tomorrow. 4.5 hours to go people.
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Post by Liquid Evil on Dec 6, 2008 13:56:00 GMT -5
Vote: bassano
For reasons stated previously and some of the most townie people voting him. But we should definitely explore Nolecub and the ric/goltar feud tomorrow.
I may or may not be around by day end, but the town really needs to vote together. The mafia are going to want split votes and confusion. Also, be very leery of any shift in wagons during these final hours.
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Post by ricrestoni on Dec 6, 2008 14:14:39 GMT -5
No, Bob, actually the Mafia can afford that, I think. Bassano is new to the game and might be their scapegoat. But it's not only that, he was awfully interested in to whom would I vote before Wasp's death, just after he cast the swinging vote from Nole to Wasp. I do not think that kind if concern comes from an honest "NOW I am certain Wasp is Mafia and Nole is not, so much so I will try and ASSURE Wasp is lynched today" stance. More like "let me help saving my mafia buddy in the last minutes" position.
I don't fully believe also jrlafrance is the doctor, or townie. Some pieces of his posts raised a hair in the neck. Early in game, on how he joined W_M train based on LE logic, which was as logical as sticking your finger in the fan. Or when he asked me, in the middle of the heated discussion, if I believed he was a townie. What kind of a question is that? What did you expect to get from me? That is still tingling my suspicion nerve - sounded awfully like something you can exploit later on the game. I didn't assume that at once because it might have be an honest "WTF is this guy talking about, I can't understand him at all" kinda question. It is only plausible because I suck at writing, both in English and my native Portuguese, and because I suck at "coherencing" my logic into words.
Against Goltar loloutrage - man, votes speak more than whatever you say your thoughts are. You can fake words, but not votes. Now town's situation is dire, and both you and Liq are to blame for that. Tell me, what kind of logic can take that from you? You use the "discredit the attacker" technique, LE use the "sorry I suck" approach.
Like I said, you 2 are opinion makers, Goltar by impecable logic, LE by leading charisma. Also, from what I read in previous games, you both are awesome at this. I will NOT be able to out-logic Goltar or out-charisma LE, maybe not only because I am new here, but also because I am probably WORSE than them in what they do best.
And that is why I said town is doomed before night 3. As I read, I see how non-convincing I am from other people's reactions, how I am unable to make the people look it like that.
Just... look at it. LE has been in people's top list from day 1, and town is never able to complete the train on him. Same with Goltar. The average townie seems way more prone to lynch a newer player, or a less active one, fearing the mistake of taking out a good townie. I didn't see this coming. You know who might have gone against this? W_M. She would be awesome in here at this point.
Actually, I believe that not all 6 townies will vote for the same target today. How suckier can this get?
Then you ask, "why don't you actually HELP town?" Well, because I have no clue whatsoever how am I supposed to achieve that. I tried the best way I suppose I can and got a very marginal result. People seem more concerned about how flamebaiting I sound than what I am actually saying.
That's it in a nutshell I think.
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Post by bassano on Dec 6, 2008 14:14:58 GMT -5
I have no free time for my defence beacuse today I have couple of thinks to do and write long english text make me more problems than for you understand them but you arew going to finish this game by my lynch maybe nice work of group mafia members whitch called ourselves as townie (L_E,sint,bob and exspecially ricestoni whitch have nice occasion again with my lynch) I have very few idea who is mafia but now more than last hours I believe to nole as townie for me and town is now uniwue possibility so vote ricestoni sint: you are mafia or you failed with your analysis
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Post by sint on Dec 6, 2008 14:33:09 GMT -5
sint: you are mafia or you failed with your analysis That's ok, I know I'm doing the right thing. I'll have to think if ric is your partner or not...
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Post by bassano on Dec 6, 2008 14:38:18 GMT -5
I hope that so
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Post by skiffcz on Dec 6, 2008 15:15:01 GMT -5
Uh, after some serious confusion I managed to track down that the thought of "vote switch" is originated in here: bassano - townie vibe for the most part, but I question the late vote change even though it did save my hide. Were the mafia that afraid of a no-lynch? The reason I question this: He then shifted his vote change soley on my shoulders. Mafia then goltar picked it up in the post when he votes for himself: Vote: goltar(...) Bassano - His posts haven't had a lot of information, he's been following along nicely with nearly everything. Yesterday's vote is key here, he switched to wasp very nearly at the end of the day, and wasp showed town. Really has me concerned right now. and the implication came in post Reply #516 Today at 10:02am note the time .. the second todays vote for bassano came eight minutes after sints Reply #515 Today at 9:54am looooooong post which includes opening "bassano" vote. I thought about it a bit and actually did some testing: read the post = 4:30 make the reply post with no rply = ~2 minutes, even for a sysadmin plus last check (EVERY spfer previews his post before posting it) question to SINT - because if you are mafia,we are already screwed. I just have to pick someone as trusted, and it wont be jrla, so you: Do you think according your previous mafia games that this quite fast posting time says mafia, or townie? Also, how does it fit with Goltars other votes or posting style? Yes, it was a new thing for Goltar (thats why Im quoting his original thought) but even then it seems damnation fast. I dunno here ... p.s. yes, I am trying to resolve who of those two ric/gol is mafioso. I dont think its 100 percent 1:1, but I would say at least one, leaning to exactly one. p.p.s. I havent commented on the last second vote yesterday. Yes, I wanted the lynch. As I said yesterday, both were my targets. Also, no lynch is IMO worst situation for town (except in special cases), because in that case mafia has free shot. So I was locking the decision in case mafia will try to unvote on the last minute to screw town over (and to save both of their buddies, because both nole and wasp were mafia for me back then). p.p.p.s. I have my finger on bassano, hop or drop, but dont vote for the same reason as yesterday. I believe mafia is planning ambush (I sure would!) so I want to stay in reserves to counterattack. Ill be here till the end today.
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Post by skiffcz on Dec 6, 2008 15:19:26 GMT -5
edit previous: was NOT a new thing to Goltar. Read: he didnt have to rethink this too long. But (my experience - so I would) have posted such a reply in like 12-14 minutes at my best...
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Post by sint on Dec 6, 2008 15:31:45 GMT -5
skiff, I'm not sure what you're asking here seeing how I take it goltar wrote his post while I was writing mine. Note on preview: It looks like sint has some of the same thoughts. Was that the question or you want me to comment on something more? -- p.s. yes, I am trying to resolve who of those two ric/gol is mafioso. I dont think its 100 percent 1:1, but I would say at least one, leaning to exactly one. <snip> p.p.p.s. I have my finger on bassano, hop or drop, but dont vote for the same reason as yesterday. I believe mafia is planning ambush (I sure would!) so I want to stay in reserves to counterattack. Ill be here till the end today. Good
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Post by raypatean on Dec 6, 2008 16:29:02 GMT -5
Hey guys...I just wanted to give you a heads up. I'm running out to the stores for a bit, and I may not be here right when the day ends, but that doesn't mean I'm extending the day. The day will still end at the usual time, which is about an hour and a half from the time of this post. I'll do my best to be back, but if not, just stop posting Edit: Any post/vote that comes after the day should end will not be counted. I will delete them, and pretend like it never happened
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Post by Nac Runo on Dec 6, 2008 17:50:55 GMT -5
I would have felt much better if we were to lynch nole but bassano is also on my mafia list. With ~10 minutes left till the end i know it will not matter but i will change my vote so that no last minute fuss happens if mafia tries to push for another one.
unvote: Nolecub
vote: Bassano
I am here till the end if my vote is needed somewhere else.
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Post by sint on Dec 6, 2008 17:54:49 GMT -5
If you're online now or will be between now and the end of the day, stick around in case the mafia tries to secure a no-lynch. I don't think it'll happen, nor do I hope we'll get some gloating mafiosos around.. but still
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Post by skiffcz on Dec 6, 2008 17:59:27 GMT -5
Delivering the package, as promised
vote bassano
*crosses fingers*
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Post by raypatean on Dec 6, 2008 18:50:11 GMT -5
Well, I don't have the official count, but Bassano clearly has the most votes...
Bassano has been lynched. He was.........
A Plain Townie.
With this, the mafia have secured a 5-5 tie, and have won the game. Congratulations Mafia, you have taken the game back from the town.
Let the trash-talking commence!
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Post by raypatean on Dec 6, 2008 18:52:41 GMT -5
Here are the roles...
Liquid Evil- Mafia Godfather Sint- Mafia Framer Nac Runo- Plain Mafioso Nolecub- Plain Mafioso goltar- Plain Mafioso Jason- Tracker muzzz- Cop jrlafrance- Doctor Everyone else- Townie
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