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Post by nolecub on Nov 12, 2008 13:56:02 GMT -5
The doc should not come out. Too easy at the moment to false role claim. How can you disprove it? Only by PI investigation or lynching, which leads to...
PI role claim - If you do decide to do this, you better have a sour investigation on someone alive we can lynch to prove your validity. None of this, "Well, I investigated jrla on night one and he is dirty and investigeted Nole on night 2 and he is clean." That proves nothing.
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Post by muzzz on Nov 12, 2008 13:57:06 GMT -5
Almost forgot:
*) trusting, being slightly less suspicious of. Whatever. You know what I mean.
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Post by bobthewarrior on Nov 12, 2008 14:05:51 GMT -5
Vote: FriedbanazzzzI didn't like his day 1 posts, and he's gone silent on us. What did you not like about his day 1 posts? A little more information please. I talked about this on day 1. He made a joke about killing the EU's, said it was just a joke, then voted Maati, claiming it to be random. I don't like that. [ I believe Nolecub's role claim, Jason's vouch, and Maati's recruitment. Although we can't be sure of Maati's alignment, Jason saying she's townie (or at least pro-town) is enough for me at this time. Re-hash much? I think this has been covered already. Anything new to input? Taken out of context, yeah, it looks like it's already been covered and therefore is nothing new. However, in context, it shows that I had suspected you enough to vote for you, but now that you've role claimed I believe you. You're welcome. Just because you can unequovically believe your role, we can't. Of the short list L_E posted, I suspect Muzzz and Noodle. I don't have a strong read on either of them, though. Naz could be the druggie, but until we see some proof that the druggie is still alive, I'm not worried about him. I don't know what Ray is playing at with his constant foo''ing, but I like it. A lot of text that says nothing. You're right, my opinions of those who I think are suspicious are worthless. Oh, wait, that means yours are just as worthless. Well, maybe less so since you've claimed a power role and been vouched. However, that makes you just as townie as I am to those that choose to believe me. What this says is that I would welcome a vote for either Noodle or Muzzz. I could go along with a vote for Naz, but have reservations. I don't think Ray is anti-town at this time. I think Bob would be a good candidate for tomorrow's lynch unless he has some more input. I'd give you my input, but it's worthless, apparently.
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Post by Noodle on Nov 12, 2008 14:06:02 GMT -5
Water_moon, you made some very compelling arguments about keeping a closer eye on Maati, but moving forward with fbz.
Vote: Friedbananazzz
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Post by muzzz on Nov 12, 2008 14:19:57 GMT -5
@bob: I take it your suspicions of me and noodle are just gut feelings?
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Post by nolecub on Nov 12, 2008 14:43:57 GMT -5
I sense some sarcasm at the end there Bob. While your opinions are not worthless, the reasoning behind them is.
You are right about one thing, can't really prove my role claim. Besides the fact that Jason confirmed it. And before that, an unsolicited confirmation from maati. If we were all wrestlers (maati still could be), that would make 5 wrestlers plus a mullet troll plus a druggie plus the random role.
But if you still need my lynch, start the train....I will even unvote fbz and vote for myself to assist you.
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Post by Liquid Evil on Nov 12, 2008 14:58:15 GMT -5
Looks like I misread the doc hints. Confirmation bias I suppose. My issue is with you oh-s0-conviently trying to clear yourself. My list of top suspicions last night was Nole, Jason, maati and Liquid. In that order. With nole and jason in the clear and maati a loose canon, I'm looking at you, bub. The only reason I prefer FBZ today is because I ALWAYS find you suspicios. One of these times I'm gonna be right about you being anti-town. Stare long enough in one direction and someday you're bound to see what you want to. Not today, but someday. Still, it's because "I'm ALWAYS suspicous" to several people that I don't really worry about clearing myself. The cops always target me and unless Cyg was the cop, I'm betting I was probably investigated and will be in the clear when s/he comes finally chooses to come forward. Still, by all means, try to get the ball rolling on me tomorrow if you think it’s in the town’s best interest. Got the moxie for it? Well, do ya?? And just for the record, should I assume that “Fiesty Old Grump” was a sarcastic joke or an unchallengeable roleclaim based on the mystery role? Frankly, neither would surprise me. Also, your links are broken.
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Post by bobthewarrior on Nov 12, 2008 15:51:08 GMT -5
I sense some sarcasm at the end there Bob. While your opinions are not worthless, the reasoning behind them is. True, my suspicions are based on the my opinion of what others wrote. I can't point you to a specific post and say "See! Right there! That means this person is a mafia . . er, wrestler!" Nope, can't do that. I bring to the table the same thing every game, my opinion of others. I don't call people out like Sint and L_E like to do. I don't role play like W_M does. This is just my style. It's worked very well for me. If my opinion means nothing to you, so be it. You are right about one thing, can't really prove my role claim. Besides the fact that Jason confirmed it. And before that, an unsolicited confirmation from maati. If we were all wrestlers (maati still could be), that would make 5 wrestlers plus a mullet troll plus a druggie plus the random role. But if you still need my lynch, start the train....I will even unvote fbz and vote for myself to assist you. I thought I was clear before. I believe you. Prior to your claim I suspected you, but not enough to vote you based on jrlafrance's vote on you which I considered to be too dangerous since he turned out to be a wrestler. There would be little reason for him to try to get the lynch train going on you instead of him if you were on the same side. Therefore, I have no reason to vote you.
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Post by muzzz on Nov 12, 2008 16:38:51 GMT -5
I'm assuming fbz will get lynched, so I'm gonna take a headstart on ignoring him.
I trust Jason and Nole. By extension, I'm inclined to trust Maati.
Ray will have to explain his foo'ing sooner or later. I'm inclined to let him live until then, or it becomes plausible that both Mr. T. and Magnum are dead.
Naz and Liq are probably not wrasslers. Naz spiked briefly on my druggie radar, when I thought he was ignoring the druggie.
My gut tells me that w_m doesn't have a hidden agenda.
Bob and Noodle seem like the most likely wrassler candidates to me. Mostly by elimination.
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Post by raypatean on Nov 12, 2008 16:56:52 GMT -5
I trust Jason and Nole. By extension, I'm inclined to trust Maati. Trusting Jason and Nole is great, and sure, I'd believe that Maati was recruited by them. However, how can you completely trust her? She could very easily be anti-town, and would still have her anti-town abilities. You gotta be a foo' to trust that. Just because she was recruited doesn't mean she isn't anti-town, and she has been more suspicious to me than FBZ was...as I pointed out in my post about Maati earlier today.
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Post by Noodle on Nov 12, 2008 17:05:44 GMT -5
I too share Ray's concerns about Maati.
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Post by Jason Maher on Nov 12, 2008 18:20:57 GMT -5
Interesting. If everyone doubting maati suddenly decided to vote for her, I'm sure she'd overtake fried. Now, if it wasn't for the sheer number of people voicing suspicions, I would be inclined to think that there are a couple of wrasslers chucking easy accusations around without the need to back it up with a vote. That way they avoid suspicion themselves because no-one ever looks at suspicion records, only voting records. It is just to easy to jump from "can't be confirmed townie" to "looks very dodgy".
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Post by Noodle on Nov 12, 2008 18:46:19 GMT -5
I think that's just the nature of the game, Jason. Unless someone does an obvious blunder (like mentioning the number of mafia when the game moderator hasn't made it public), all anyone has to go on is innuendo and suspicion. Well, anyone not named Magnum, PI.
I'd be fine with voting for Maati today, but with the momentum FBZ has, I'd be throwing my vote away. We seem to have the wrestlers on the ropes, so to speak, but the worst thing a town can do is be paralysed into inaction and let the mafia pick us off one by one. Sometimes you're just better off going with the majority and waiting until you can muster support for someone you suspect as a lynch candidate.
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Post by water_moon on Nov 12, 2008 19:12:11 GMT -5
And just for the record, should I assume that “Fiesty Old Grump” was a sarcastic joke or an unchallengeable roleclaim based on the mystery role? Frankly, neither would surprise me. Also, your links are broken. *cusses fluently for several minutes* Sorry, but that stupid post took me over 2 hours and one rescuce of the toilet from clogging when the baby attemped to flush something; all just to have my nice links in there. The board messed them up but you can find the originals (remove the " tags) by looking at the code when quoting me. or try here: Well that certinaly is a big bun. A big fluffy bun. fiesty old grump. the last one was a picture of a huge honking cocktail ring. oh, and this link just becuase I thought the timing was funny: news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081112/ap_on_fe_st/odd_boxing_ring_stolenWhat I'm saying is that I'm RPing. Hence the use of the word character and not role. I'm also standing by my assertion that wins due to role reveals are no fun. And in this case dangerous. @muzz I did read it in context, and my point is that it's not really an option. In order to keep the token wrassler alive, they would have to be outed, once outed to the general populase, the druggie can then go to work on them. I love goltar but he's a little nuts when it comes to "random" at least 1/3 of the effects will be bad. Mr. T can only watch over a given person every other night. (and just our luck the last one would probably confer lynch immunity for the last day...) Now as to the numbers, one of the things that stuck me was nolecub's numbering 5 wrasslers and the mullet troll. The mullet troll is a wrassler, isn't he? He's listed in the rules as part of that group and the druggie is listed seperatly. He's just a dirty busdriver like Mr. T is a doc and Magnum PI is a cop. *looks around for a GM* For that reason I doubt there are "two" like jr.france said or we'd have already won/lost basied on if cygie is a drug dealer. (What better way to mislead than for a known hinter to "slip up" with false information in the event he's found out?) Thus I'd feel safe in saying there are one or two more floating out there, but there are POSSIBILITES that exist that can not be discounted. Yes it's likly jason and nole like to sing in a band. But not proven. It's likly cygie didn't get his jollies beating people up. But then again it could be a round-a-bout way to gain trust or put a mark on Liquid.
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Post by water_moon on Nov 12, 2008 19:16:23 GMT -5
drat! I hate when I start making a point and then forget the important part: Okay so we lynch FBZ. he's either for us or aginst us.
So let's start thinking of the 'morrow. We're missing a wealth of information we'd normally examine.
He had a bodygaurd, but why was Naz targeted for a beating?
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