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Post by merlin on Sept 3, 2009 18:37:22 GMT -5
Ah, I missed the last post liq made on day 1. Sorry bout that. He seems helpful, and still gives of the usual liq vibe, if less blatantly obvious then usual.
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Liquid Evil
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Post by Liquid Evil on Sept 3, 2009 20:01:55 GMT -5
Lynching Ray as a confirmed mafioso seems well and good, but I'm wondering if we really need to waste a daily lynch on him. Before I'm crucified for trying to save my mafia partner, let me finish. He has posted nothing(!) so far. How much longer does he have before Nole just removes him as an inactive? Isn't there a limit on these things? Hasn't he crossed it? It's not our fault that the mafia is lazy/inactive, but I'm not going to argue with that agenda. Why can't we just scratch his name from the books and get to work rooting out his accomplice(s)? If we're lucky that's just one more person and we could theoretically win the game today!
There's no fine print in the original thread regarding inactivity, so what says Nole?
Now that I've addressed that, let's look to the future. Ray hasn't posted to link himself with anyone so I'll toss out a couple more questions in an effort to stir up some dirt on the remaining baddies.
Soy- You know firehorse pretty well, yes? Is he his usual self? Nac- Do you believe Ray is mafia after skool's post and role? Have your feelings on merlin changed? firehorse- How well do you know Sitro's playstyle?
In the meantime, I'm going with the obvious (unless I hear otherwise from nole) and am voting: Vote: Ray Patean
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Post by nolecub on Sept 3, 2009 20:09:57 GMT -5
I am on the fence concerning Ray atm. If someone wishes to step up and replace him, send me a PM
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Post by soylentred on Sept 3, 2009 20:28:48 GMT -5
Lynching Ray as a confirmed mafioso seems well and good, but I'm wondering if we really need to waste a daily lynch on him. Before I'm crucified for trying to save my mafia partner, let me finish. He has posted nothing(!) so far. How much longer does he have before Nole just removes him as an inactive? Isn't there a limit on these things? Hasn't he crossed it? It's not our fault that the mafia is lazy/inactive, but I'm not going to argue with that agenda. Why can't we just scratch his name from the books and get to work rooting out his accomplice(s)? If we're lucky that's just one more person and we could theoretically win the game today! There's no fine print in the original thread regarding inactivity, so what says Nole? Now that I've addressed that, let's look to the future. Ray hasn't posted to link himself with anyone so I'll toss out a couple more questions in an effort to stir up some dirt on the remaining baddies. Soy- You know firehorse pretty well, yes? Is he his usual self? Nac- Do you believe Ray is mafia after skool's post and role? Have your feelings on merlin changed? firehorse- How well do you know Sitro's playstyle? In the meantime, I'm going with the obvious (unless I hear otherwise from nole) and am voting: Vote: Ray PateanYes this is Fire so far. As for voting Ray - I am in favour of that. We have some pretty strong indications he is scummy. If he is replaced he will be replaced scummily and also it is a fairly safe bet (for this early in the game) for us not to lynch a fellow town.
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Post by soylentred on Sept 3, 2009 20:35:55 GMT -5
Hmm. It's a shame for skool really, but this is quite helpful. Now we can go after ray, while trying to deduce his partners. Soylent In most likelyhood a townie, or otherwise a very smart and very lucky mafia. She tied the votes by voting ray, and it was me who pushed skool through. But I had announced I was going to vote for him if he didn't answer, so soy might have guessed where my vote would go, and then make up the little back story to explain tying the vote (notice that she didn't withdraw her vote...). If that's the case,s he seems pretty good for casting her vote on what seems to be a mafia member now. Still, I'm inclined to think she's townie. . Truly when I read the posts it was 3 singleton votes and by the time I posted it was 2-2 with an unvote and revote occurring while I was composing. It says it right in my post. It was 3 different votes when I was composing. I did not tie up the vote - in my mind - factually that is what happened but not by my intention. By the time I would have changed it, more had voted for Skool and me changing would have been just piling on. Also I did not want to vote for Skool so I didn't. I really thought we were being steered off of Ray.
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Post by raypatean on Sept 4, 2009 8:06:06 GMT -5
No need to scratch me from the game...I completely spaced out and forgot about the game. I'm back now.
Unfortunately, I have no idea what Skool was talking about, saying that he has role based info that I'm scum. I think what might garner us the most information is to lynch me, and take a look at who was eager to lynch me before this post. I've said before that it is the role of plain townies to die in order to provide knowledge to the town. I want to live up to my duty, especially since Skool obviously has no idea what he's talking about.
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Post by soylentred on Sept 4, 2009 12:13:13 GMT -5
No need to scratch me from the game...I completely spaced out and forgot about the game. I'm back now. Unfortunately, I have no idea what Skool was talking about, saying that he has role based info that I'm scum. I think what might garner us the most information is to lynch me, and take a look at who was eager to lynch me before this post. I've said before that it is the role of plain townies to die in order to provide knowledge to the town. I want to live up to my duty, especially since Skool obviously has no idea what he's talking about. Welcome to the game Ray. So you are saying if we lynch you - the ones who voted for your lynch, the ones who trusted someone who was playing the game and gave a dying declaration that seems to be borne out by his role reveal- those people are untrustworthy and scumlike because they listened to skool instead of yourself and your one post. My initial vote on you was to draw you out. Then it looked like we were being steered off of you and then Skool says he has information based on his role about you and sure enough he does have a townie power role. This reads to me that Skool blocked you the first night and that is why we had no NK the first night. Lynch me and prove I am town is a ploy we have seen before. If we do lynch you and you come up town - that does not say anything about the ones who vote for your lynch - it only says something about Skool and his dying declaration.
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Post by Nac Runo on Sept 4, 2009 13:47:19 GMT -5
About skool's claim and accusations. He made his claim when less than 1 hour was left before day's end. Before he made his claim there was no reason to consider him trustworthy and his post on ray appeared as nothing but a joke vote. I think that he believed we missed a mafia lynch he provided to us and got pissed as a result. Out if his frustration he did some harsh and thoughtless comments. I am just talkin about the part nole edited out btw.
I changed my vote to skool because i knew i wasn't going to catch end of the round and didn't want a three way tie in the way. I chose skool over ray because it was more likely for skool to defend himself before days end, as a result giving the town more info with the lynch. My vote for merlin was actually because he was pushing for a skool lynch, i didn't try to direct the town to a skool lynch in any way. ---------------- I completely agree with soy about rays comments. It is obvious that skool's words have a heavier meaning than ray has said and it will tell us exactly nothing about the votes placed on ray even if he turns out to be townie. So ray, can you be more specific about how your death as a townie will give us any clues? Also do you have any explanation about how skool might have messed up with his claim given that it is verified that he actually believed that claim? ---------------- @liq: About ray, actually i might have said not to hurry about skool's claim and make sudden conclusions. But Ray's post has made me think that he is most likely mafia after all. Unless Ray has some convincing things to say about his post i suggest he should be lynched for the day.
About merlin, he still seems fishy to me but not as much as yesterday. I will make sure to keep an open eye for him but he shouldn't be today's topic.
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Post by merlin on Sept 4, 2009 20:00:47 GMT -5
About skool's claim and accusations. He made his claim when less than 1 hour was left before day's end. Before he made his claim there was no reason to consider him trustworthy and his post on ray appeared as nothing but a joke vote. I think that he believed we missed a mafia lynch he provided to us and got pissed as a result. Out if his frustration he did some harsh and thoughtless comments. I am just talkin about the part nole edited out btw. I changed my vote to skool because i knew i wasn't going to catch end of the round and didn't want a three way tie in the way. I chose skool over ray because it was more likely for skool to defend himself before days end, as a result giving the town more info with the lynch. My vote for merlin was actually because he was pushing for a skool lynch, i didn't try to direct the town to a skool lynch in any way. ---------------- I completely agree with soy about rays comments. It is obvious that skool's words have a heavier meaning than ray has said and it will tell us exactly nothing about the votes placed on ray even if he turns out to be townie. So ray, can you be more specific about how your death as a townie will give us any clues? Also do you have any explanation about how skool might have messed up with his claim given that it is verified that he actually believed that claim? ---------------- @liq: About ray, actually i might have said not to hurry about skool's claim and make sudden conclusions. But Ray's post has made me think that he is most likely mafia after all. Unless Ray has some convincing things to say about his post i suggest he should be lynched for the day. About merlin, he still seems fishy to me but not as much as yesterday. I will make sure to keep an open eye for him but he shouldn't be today's topic. Let's see. To refresh our memory, this is the extent of skoolbus his first post on day 1 ( i left his liq quote out) My guess is two. Vote RayLet's see if he is scum. Not too much info there, huh? Anyways, opening a vote on day 1 on a person who hasn't posted yet isn't really my style. So I mentioned that: Now, that's a solid way to start day 1. Vote for a person who hasn't even posted yet! If I was to use Sitro's system, skool would just have won hisself a point or two right there. About 20 hours or so later, I make another post, and this is the section regarding skoolbus: To me the person who is most suspish is certainly skoolbus, but I'd hate to bandwagon the lad if he isn't around to defend hisself. Liq seems unuasually quiet, considernig his normal day 1 behavior, but that might just be a reaction to the lack of posts from everybody else. I'll vote for skoolbus if he doesn't make an additional (useful) post. Notice that Fried in the post directly above opened the vote on skool. Now Nac feels I'm fishy, and gives an explanation for it. The ones giving me weird vibes are merlin and firehorse for now. I was writing my post and got distracted, when i came back i saw firehorse's post and i find it weird that he labeled merlin as suspicious like me. But it seems like our reasoning is a bit different. The reason i find merlin suspicious is mostly about him making way for skoolbus lynch. I am not saying skoolbus is giving any townie vibes but merlin's "i don't want to bandwagon but" post seems fishy to me. Both of his posts seems to underline too much that he is on the side of townie but i might be reading between the lines too much. My guess is that he is either mafia or protown, which are you merlin? I am aganist lynching Ray for the first day simply because it will just make us repeat the confusion of the first day in the second day. Fine point about Ray, but he feels I am suspicious because I made the way for a skoolbus lynch. What gives? Next he asks whether I'm Mafia or PROtown role. again, what gives? What kind of question is that on day 1? I didn't realize at first what PRO meant, but it only makes this question worse IMHO. Next, he votes for me. Look at the trackrecord above pls. My first answer was that I didn't like the impromptu opening vote. My second post was meant to prod him into action and posting. I still didn't vote for him, because I would then basically do the same think skool did. Besides, with a good explanation I would be willing enough to vote for somebody else. So here Nac is telling us I am paving the way for a skoolbus lynch, even though I didn't vote for him, and only framed suspicions. He then votes for me, only to change his vote to skool... before I ever voted myself And then, in his first post on day 2, he mentioned the skoolbus post. I'll repeat that section below. ...About skool's claim and accusations. He made his claim when less than 1 hour was left before day's end. Before he made his claim there was no reason to consider him trustworthy and his post on ray appeared as nothing but a joke vote.So what am I to make of this? I am apparently suspish for pointing out something Nac apparently agrees with, and then asking for a response before casting my vote. Nac first votes for me, and then changes his vote to skool before I even voted myself. Given this and given skool's suspicion in the last post before he was lynched, I am more or less convinced Nac isn't on the level. I'll keep my vote on Ray, based on skool's final information and the fact that no NK occured on the opening night, but Nac can expect my vote to come his way if I still live on day 3.
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Post by merlin on Sept 4, 2009 20:08:08 GMT -5
Smart me, to forget my vote. Oh well, at least I caught it in time. vote:Ray Patean
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Post by FIREHORSE on Sept 4, 2009 20:52:07 GMT -5
Lynching Ray as a confirmed mafioso seems well and good, but I'm wondering if we really need to waste a daily lynch on him. Before I'm crucified for trying to save my mafia partner, let me finish. He has posted nothing(!) so far. How much longer does he have before Nole just removes him as an inactive? Isn't there a limit on these things? Hasn't he crossed it? It's not our fault that the mafia is lazy/inactive, but I'm not going to argue with that agenda. Why can't we just scratch his name from the books and get to work rooting out his accomplice(s)? If we're lucky that's just one more person and we could theoretically win the game today! There's no fine print in the original thread regarding inactivity, so what says Nole? Now that I've addressed that, let's look to the future. Ray hasn't posted to link himself with anyone so I'll toss out a couple more questions in an effort to stir up some dirt on the remaining baddies. Soy- You know firehorse pretty well, yes? Is he his usual self? Nac- Do you believe Ray is mafia after skool's post and role? Have your feelings on merlin changed? firehorse- How well do you know Sitro's playstyle? In the meantime, I'm going with the obvious (unless I hear otherwise from nole) and am voting: Vote: Ray PateanHi Liquid, I really do not know Sitro's style very well although if I had to throw out an opinion he strikes me as a neutral type player who contributes well and frequently. IMO his play style IS different this game but again I may be the wrong person to ask this question.
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Post by FIREHORSE on Sept 4, 2009 21:06:04 GMT -5
firehorse: you're flying under the radar right now... Why do you think SiTro was NK'd? . To answer your question: Perhaps mafia decided to target a player they felt would not be blocked. If a player posts frequently, those with role blocker roles would be more apt to protect that player. Not willing to risk this and thus void the NK they targeted a person who had not posted often. Sitro fit that profile. It has been said that I am "flying under the radar". Agreed. You might say that. For those who were not participants in the last game I played I was town and slandered in the game for my suggestions as to who was mafia which as it turned out were 100% on the mark by a certain someone and comments made back and forth earned me and that person a ban. We deserved the ban but I got dragged into something I did not want to get dragged into. My lynch costs us (Townies) that game. At any rate I have I think intentionally taken a more "stand offish" role this game cause of that experience. If anyone sought an explanation as to my "flying under the radar" there it is. I have answered the 2 questions put to me. Hopefully the answers are satisfactory. IMO the best lynch bet on Day #2 is Ray. Nobody else is a better option in my opinion. Liquid I would like to see more opinions and less questioning of others from you - please. Your style while great is deflecting attention away from you placing it on others and I think you would agree that is an excellent mafia tactic. Accordingly you are number #2 on my mafia hit parade after Ray. I missed the last vote which is typical of me on Day #1 in Mafia games until I get the time thingy figured out. VOTE: Ray
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Post by Nac Runo on Sept 4, 2009 21:13:42 GMT -5
merlin: I mentioned you voting for skool only to show that i was not trying to direct the town for a skool lynch. I think you are fishy mostly based on a gut feeling rather than your vote on skool, if it matters. FIREHORSE: you do at least know that sitro is NK'ed right? @soy: do you have any opinion of merlin & L_E this game?
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Post by Nac Runo on Sept 4, 2009 21:14:25 GMT -5
Sorry fire, i didn't see your post while typing.
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Post by soylentred on Sept 4, 2009 22:26:40 GMT -5
merlin: I mentioned you voting for skool only to show that i was not trying to direct the town for a skool lynch. I think you are fishy mostly based on a gut feeling rather than your vote on skool, if it matters. FIREHORSE: you do at least know that sitro is NK'ed right? @soy: do you have any opinion of merlin & L_E this game? Not sure my opinion counts much on those two because it isn't much of an opinion. I am always wary of Merlin but he is seeming on the up and up this game. Liquid always baffles me. Truth be told so far I have only gotten as far as looking at the Ray versus Skool voting and as I said if Skool came up town to have a hard look at FBZ and Ray. So my suspect list: Ray FBZ You, Nac had some good explanations for your part in the voting so that is good for now.
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