Liquid Evil
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Post by Liquid Evil on Sept 5, 2009 1:23:50 GMT -5
Liquid I would like to see more opinions and less questioning of others from you Questioning others generates at least some discussion from which to base my opinions. However, with the exception of the Nac/merlin issue (in which I believe one is clear mafia), my earlier suspect list hasn’t changed a whole lot. You are admittedly under the radar and that’s exactly the type of play style that rubs me the wrong way in smaller games like this. But speaking of your play style, do you remember when I did a bit of that earlier questioning you seem to dislike? Soy- You know firehorse pretty well, yes? Is he his usual self?She responded with, “Yes this is Fire so far.”After her response, you, with no one clamoring to know more on the subject, set about explaining your role in direct opposition to her claim: My lynch costs us (Townies) that game. At any rate I have I think intentionally taken a more "stand offish" role this game cause of that experience. If anyone sought an explanation as to my "flying under the radar" there it is. I’m extremely leery of those who try too hard to explain away things that they weren’t even asked to explain, especially when they contradict something said by another party earlier in the thread.
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friedbananazzzz
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Post by friedbananazzzz on Sept 5, 2009 1:54:39 GMT -5
I'm FAR too tired to be typing this, but I doubt I'll get it off in the morning...
Nac: I find it hard to believe anything you're saying right now, the smell of fish is just so strong... I've already explained why I thought you were fishy earlier, but reading this just baffles my mind:
You voted for merlin because you say he was pushing for a skool lynch, but then (2 posts/1 hour) you change your vote to skool. And the only post between those two was one by merlin saying that he thinks skool is the best lynch target atm... You couldn't vote for ray because you're his partner, aren't you?
Soy: I made a post saying that I wouldn't be able to get on before the end of the day (#19), and it was 4 hours later when I posted (#21), and there was no posts made by anyone except for a couple of pointless questions by Liq. I knew I couldn't post after that, but a vote had to be made. I wasn't trying to steer the vote away from ray: at that point in time skool was the only one that looked remotely suspicious to me, so what do you think I should have done? I still don't understand how you think I was steering the vote away, I wasn't around to talk anymore to make people vote, or convince them of ray's innocence.
Liq/firehorse: I actually brought it up that firehorse was flying under the radar, and a few others were simply stating that there wasn't enough info to make a valid judgement of him... He may have given more info than was necessary, but at least we know he's around and posting... I'm grouping you two together as I seem to have a shared opinion for you guys. You've made a valid point or two, but I can't be convinced 100% that you're townie/mafia.
Ray: If you're really innocent, why not part some wisdom on us, let us know what you think about everyone so far, instead of laying back down on a grenade.
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Post by soylentred on Sept 5, 2009 7:56:45 GMT -5
But speaking of your play style, do you remember when I did a bit of that earlier questioning you seem to dislike? Soy- You know firehorse pretty well, yes? Is he his usual self?She responded with, “Yes this is Fire so far.”After her response, you, with no one clamoring to know more on the subject, set about explaining your role in direct opposition to her claim: My lynch costs us (Townies) that game. At any rate I have I think intentionally taken a more "stand offish" role this game cause of that experience. If anyone sought an explanation as to my "flying under the radar" there it is. I’m extremely leery of those who try too hard to explain away things that they weren’t even asked to explain, especially when they contradict something said by another party earlier in the thread. First I like your questions and I feel they are useful. Asking someoone how they feel about another player to me is similar to analyzing voting patterns. Sorry maybe I did not explain that correctly. However your simple question to me about Fire and my simple response is having much more attributed to it than it is worth. I was commenting on form not content. His form is directed by circumstance ie availability and his time zone. I understand his subsequent response as being I was 'once burned' in the last game, in this game I am 'twice shy'.
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Post by Nac Runo on Sept 5, 2009 15:00:11 GMT -5
Since we didn't hear from ray i will put my vote on him.
Vote:Ray
@fried: i thought i explained my vote behaviour and my suspicions on merlin enough already. Both skool and ray were equally guilty in my eyes so i chose the one to reveal more with a lynch. Nothing i said contradicts since i didn't question merlin's vote on skool, i questioned his act which seemed to me as "skool is the most suspicious but as a trusty townie i will not bandwagon". I thought it was a way to push for skool lynch and i was suspicious of this act.
My thoughts on some people.
Firehorse: Despite my early thought he seems to be on town's side to me. His last post although arised some suspicious from LE, i find them understandable and don't see him as a threat.
merlin: I had to keep repeating why i suspected him previous day but actually my thoughts on him are not definite at all for today. He is as guilty or innocent as almost half of the remaining players currently
LE: His posting behaviour is a bit different than before and he is not even half as aggressive as he used to play but i think it is normal considering the amount of activity in the thread. Currently i trust him and his play for the coming days.
Soy: While thinking of her it seemed to me as she has been silent this round. Counting her posts this round such a conclusion is very dangerous i think. She has made lots of posts but at the same time almost avoided conflicts with everyone. There is something disturbing here.
I don't see any other alternaive than lynching ray for the day but i also think this might be the last day and thus victory of mafia. I still think it is possible for nole to assign three roles and a no NK first night. This assumption makes skools reasoning for ray being mafia pointless.
I can i am wrong about the above matter, i have a request from the doctor. If you are indeed the person i think you are, tonight is the night you need to save yourself. You are just the perfect NK target imo. Listen to me even if you have doubts.
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Post by nolecub on Sept 5, 2009 15:12:56 GMT -5
Day has ended. Ray, follow me.
If you have business to take care of, you have 24 hours
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Post by nolecub on Sept 6, 2009 14:42:47 GMT -5
Well, I am convinced that ray one fry short of a happy meal. All throughout the tort...erm...questioning he just laughed about how he has fulfilled his destiny. Whatever that means....
Ray is the Village Idiot. Despite Ray's declaration of victory, we still have to sort out who is responsible for the missing townsfolk.
Now that everyone is here....wait....where is merlin? MERLIN!!!! Great, now merlin is missing.
merlin has been NK'd
Well, 48 hours to do what you do.
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Liquid Evil
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Post by Liquid Evil on Sept 6, 2009 16:00:13 GMT -5
Just a post of NC three days into the round is enough to win the game? Man, that's a terrible role. Since I can't vote Nolecub, I'm going with Nac as he's been merlin's main antagonist from the get-go, as well as generally being pretty wishy-washy. Whatever.
Vote: Nac Runo
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friedbananazzzz
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Post by friedbananazzzz on Sept 6, 2009 17:01:59 GMT -5
UGH. I hate that role. IMO it ruins the game for everybody (except the mod; I'm sure nole found it entertaining to watch the town lose the game). The town has lost, and I don't really care that much anymore as to who's responsible. But the game must go on (apparently), so...
Vote: Soy
Has done nothing AT ALL except talk about ray. Convenient, when you know they aren't scum and people are going after them. When I thought ray was scum, she seemed on the level, but the role reveal now makes me question every post of hers.
Merlin was the only person I felt confident in calling townie last night. I don't trust any of you at this point. The last two days of posts are pretty much useless now, as the townies went after what seemed like a confirmed mafia, and the mafia merrily followed along.
Nac actually looks a little less scummy now with merlin dead, as I really doubt he would've gotten into a confrontation with him like that if he was just going to kill him at night.
In order of general scumminess: Soy Liq Fire Nac
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friedbananazzzz
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Post by friedbananazzzz on Sept 6, 2009 17:09:30 GMT -5
My apologies to nole for the snide sarcasm in the first paragraph; I still appreciate you running the game, and you're still doing a great job, I'm just bitter about the use of that role. It just comes off a little ruder reading it now than when I typed it the first time. Sorry. If no one else thinks so, then we can all just ignore this post.
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Post by soylentred on Sept 6, 2009 17:11:32 GMT -5
FBZ that is quite a simplistic portrayal of something that I took a lot of pride in - you obviously did not read between the lines. Show me how I got him lynched FBZ. I didn't even vote.
So does this mean everyone lost except Ray?
That seems too easy - just be a non poster and often you get lynched on day 1 for that.
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Post by Nac Runo on Sept 6, 2009 17:23:27 GMT -5
Melin huh? That was definately unexpected for me. First of all i must say that almost everything i said in my previous post was an act from me not to get myself killed. I only meant what i said about doc protecting herself. Most important thing i said to stay alive was trusting Liq, i have been suspicious of Liquid for some time in this game. It was only 'gut' feeling at first but last day things got a bit more clear to me. I can only pinpoint to his message "I'm crucified for trying to save my mafia partner,". It seems like a friendly remark but i thought it was a well put psychological comment saying us he is not mafia. Of course this is no evidence aganist him but it has been disturbing me for the whole day. A ROLE CLAIM IS AHEAD. To quote my first message in this game: At least one of us is an investigative role for sure and i know asking for an early reveal is unfavorable but i might just do that. In these less crowded games the more we know sooner the better i think. While saying "i might just do that", i was actually meaning to make an early reveal myself. I have a semi-investigative role which allows me to learn if someone was active during the night. And my first investigation target turned out to be active during the first night. I only kept to myself because i believed that nole really forbid the mafia to make a NK and therefore the person i saw was actually a pro-town role. I was also aware that what i said was a hint of me having a role and tried to understand if anyone would respond. I am mostly sure that Liquid has picked my hiny thought i had a role since all of his questions directed to me were as if we valued my opinion of others. I read his questions as if he was looking for a second hint from me. I decided to keep quiter for the rest of the day and although i had my doubts second night made it more clear to me that Liq was one of the mafiosos. I chose Liquid as the inspection target during the second night to see if i can trust him. But at the start of the day i learned that i was BLOCKED. During the night skool got lynched i was blocked and i immediately assumed that i was blocked by an anti-town role. It made Liquid much more suspicious in my eyes since i was suspecting him to pick up my hint. I was aware that i was not going to get Liq lynched with only these therefore i needed to be sure. I did everything i can to stay alive last night. I tried not to be seen as a danger to the mafia. Also since i was hoping that the person i inspected the first night was the doc, i also needed the doc to survive the night to verify me today. Last night i inspected Liquid again, and guess what, he was ACTIVE. I really don't think he is a helpful townie at this point. Also the suspicion on me yesterday was due to my choosing skool aganist Ray. But today we learn that Ray was not mafia after all. What happens is merlin gets killed and Liquid makes a conclusion that i should be the one to kill him since i was after him. Actually i was thinking that it would be hard to get Liq lynched even if he turned out to be active at night. But that play is definately not you Liq. You are voting me because i am merlin's main antogonist!! Come on, even if it is less noisy that your regular game you could have come up with something better. vote:Liquid
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Post by soylentred on Sept 6, 2009 17:26:25 GMT -5
Nac I don't get your last post at all.
What is this thing of somehow knowing who the doctor is and hinting to the town that you have valuable information?
or you want the doctor to identify himself to just you. That would set him up pretty nicely doncha think?
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Post by Nac Runo on Sept 6, 2009 17:27:52 GMT -5
I don't see it as town losing the game. The VI may get a victory but it will be either town's or mafia's loss.
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Post by Nac Runo on Sept 6, 2009 17:33:10 GMT -5
Actually it is true that i am asking for a doc reveal. I don't have any valuable information about the doc, i am just not sure about the role of my first night target. I assume him to be the doc but if i trust him blindly and he turns out to be mafia then it is a sure loss for the town.
Also i don't think the doc revealing himself will be any bad. I know Liq is mafia and we all know that there is a total of 2 mafias in this game. If my assumption about the doc is correct than he will be able to verify me as telling the truth. And two townies means that we just don't know about the roles of two people. Having the role i have, i only need 1 night to find out which is mafia and which is town. As long as the doc can protect me for one more night and we can all agree that me and the doc is trustworthy than we win the game.
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Post by soylentred on Sept 6, 2009 20:10:16 GMT -5
Actually it is true that i am asking for a doc reveal. I don't have any valuable information about the doc, i am just not sure about the role of my first night target. I assume him to be the doc but if i trust him blindly and he turns out to be mafia then it is a sure loss for the town. Also i don't think the doc revealing himself will be any bad. I know Liq is mafia and we all know that there is a total of 2 mafias in this game. If my assumption about the doc is correct than he will be able to verify me as telling the truth. And two townies means that we just don't know about the roles of two people. Having the role i have, i only need 1 night to find out which is mafia and which is town. As long as the doc can protect me for one more night and we can all agree that me and the doc is trustworthy than we win the game. I'm sorry I have been trying to follow you but this does not make sense how can the doctor confirm your role? The doctor saves a NK victim - are you saying you were the first NK and he saved you? How does that confirm your role back to him - he would not even know his save worked, let alone get feedback on your role. Again, sorry this hog is not washing. vote:Nac Runo
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