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Post by raypatean on Nov 24, 2008 18:28:12 GMT -5
Sorry for being a little late on the start. The town gathered as day broke and noticed someone was missing...
Nazdakka has been killed.
Day 1 will last for 47 and a half hours. I'll get back to the 6:00pm starts/stops now.
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Post by Liquid Evil on Nov 24, 2008 19:06:36 GMT -5
Bout darn time. Since this is a late start, I'm not going to wait for everyone to post the standard issue non-content garbage. We know you're sad that Naz is dead and we appreciate your attempts at humor, but neither helps us pwn mafiosos. @ Water_moon- Can you close down the part of the forum that shows user activity? I've been around all weekend logging the times of people and I can basically rule out one person completely based on that alone (but this is assuming the mafia are communicating with PMs and not emails or something else). Cheesy? God yes. Effective? We'll see. @ Muzzz- Why Naz? @ BobTheWarrior- If you were the doc, would you have saved yourself the first night or went with a player that you believed might be targeted? @ Sint- How powerful do you believe the hidden role will be? More powerful than the cop? @ Merlin- Glad I signed you up? @ Noodle- Same questions as Sint. @ jrlafrance- Assume for a minute that you're the cop for this question, would Naz have made for a good investigation target during the first night? (Obviously, he's pro-town in hindsight)
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Post by ricrestoni on Nov 24, 2008 19:23:55 GMT -5
Why Naz? Did he pwn in previous games so that Mafia felt like a good idea starting by him? Anyone openly complimented his early games? Gotta re-read past games.
@le - If you were Mafia, who would you have killed at night 1 and why?
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Post by sint on Nov 24, 2008 19:26:08 GMT -5
Heh, I can get a post in before turning to bed. The days start around 1am my time.. not great I guess. vote JasonLE: short answer: yes, powerfull. Will have to mull on it some more before going deeper. I can already point out one person that's is DEFINATELY townie. Meh.. you know what screw the jokes, I was going to say ''naz'' but seeing how my time is limited anyway I guess I shouldn't make comments like this Was naz a big name on these forums?
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Post by jrlafrance on Nov 24, 2008 19:31:23 GMT -5
@ jrlafrance- Assume for a minute that you're the cop for this question, would Naz have made for a good investigation target during the first night? (Obviously, he's pro-town in hindsight) Personally, no. I would be much more suspicious of Muzzz, noodle W_M, and yourself. Why, you might ask? Because I see all 4 of you as very good, Patient players, capable of playing any role very well. Now, I'm not saying that Naz isn't a good player, but you begin to see the cream when it's painfully obvious! ;D
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Post by jrlafrance on Nov 24, 2008 19:37:14 GMT -5
@ Water_moon- Can you close down the part of the forum that shows user activity? I've been around all weekend logging the times of people and I can basically rule out one person completely based on that alone (but this is assuming the mafia are communicating with PMs and not emails or something else). Cheesy? God yes. Effective? We'll see. So, even though the site mod asked us not to use that, you did anyways? Only an evil person would do something like that LE. Based on that info alone, you're on the top of my suspect list!
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Post by Liquid Evil on Nov 24, 2008 20:04:39 GMT -5
@ Sint's vote on Jason @le - If you were Mafia, who would you have killed at night 1 and why? I guess the safe answer is “anyone but Nazdakka.” Seriously though, I would have probably killed Muzzz or Sint. Both could potentially interfere with my shepherd gene. Either them or a new guy for the apparent confusion factor. Was naz a big name on these forums? So-so I’d say. He has his games and has proven very helpful to the townies in the past. Even as recently as last game, he came forward with a believable roleclaim to help the townies lynch the final Mafioso. So, even though the site mod asked us not to use that, you did anyways? Only an evil person would do something like that LE. Based on that info alone, you're on the top of my suspect list! The site mod maybe, but the game mod didn’t mention it. Exploit every loophole where you can find it. If Naz were here, he would agree with me. And I’d argue that this is especially true with potentially 5-6** mafia baddies in the ranks of a 17 person game (subtracting the first NK target). If we screw up 3-4 days in a row, they can pretty much vote as a unit for an auto-win. Do you see how little room there is for error? And Ray can slap me on the wrist if he doesn't like it. **= I'm thinking 5-6 mafia, leaning towards 6....
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Post by skiffcz on Nov 24, 2008 20:47:41 GMT -5
@le: Hello there. I have a one question for you. Are you a mafia? Dont laugh. Its not that stupid question. From what I understand, townies started to kick *ss recently, so it would be a logical step to make some strong players like you the badz. So I would like to know - who do you think is a townie, based on your log time observations. The point here is - if you are mafia, you are bluffing. Why would you check the log times when you already know whos who? On the other hand, if your tips will be at least minimaly accurate, you have /really/ checked - which means you had reason for it and thus you are town. For each townie you will guess accurately you gain one vote against you being lynched. You can only gain. Seriously, Youd be lynched on day one anyway, just for security reason - if you were mafia and we let you live, we would ask for some serious trouble ... Save yourself - and the town
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Post by Noodle on Nov 24, 2008 20:53:09 GMT -5
@ Sint- How powerful do you believe the hidden role will be? More powerful than the cop? @ Noodle- Same questions as Sint. Hard to say, Liq, without knowing 1) what the role is, and 2) who is playing the role. The cop is an extremely powerful role, as it's the only person who can definitively ascertain whether a person is townie or mafia. I don't know what roletype could be more powerful than that. Hopefully gameplay will help shed some light on that. As for why Nazdakka - I'd to think that his choice was based primarily on who was unlikely to be protected, with his proven skill at playing the game a secondary concern. I wonder who was protected. Probably you, Liq, as you've proven to be an astute player. It doesn't establish you as either townie or mafia, of course, but I would warrant someone worth protecting in the initial round to at least keep you around until a better decision could be made.
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Post by Noodle on Nov 24, 2008 20:55:30 GMT -5
@le: Hello there. I have a one question for you. Are you a mafia? Dont laugh. Its not that stupid question. From what I understand, townies started to kick *ss recently, so it would be a logical step to make some strong players like you the badz. I believe traditionally the roles are chosen via the use of a random number generator, although there's obviously no way to check.
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Post by goltar on Nov 24, 2008 21:02:10 GMT -5
skiff - You do realize that the role determinations are (hopefully) random, right? There should be nothing about who is best for what role for a particular game involved, simply random numbers.
While I've never liked it, LE is very much a power gamer, take advantage of everything he can. He's always a good asset to whichever team he is on, even if he manages to annoy the snot out of everyone in the process.
Sint - Any particular reason for the vote on Jason so early? Did he have something against naz that I'm unaware of (or the other way around)?
On a side note, I did mention the status stuff to water_moon, and she said she probably wouldn't bother with it this time, as it made things more annoying for her as the forum administrator. Specifically, if ray asks for it, she'll do it, but not likely otherwise.
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Post by skiffcz on Nov 24, 2008 21:12:33 GMT -5
I believe traditionally the roles are chosen via the use of a random number generator, although there's obviously no way to check. skiff - You do realize that the role determinations are (hopefully) random, right? My newb fault, sorry for that. Anyway, that does not go against what Ive said. If LE knows something and he is town, he should share it. If he doesnt really know, because he did not checked and he is bluffing now, just to fortify his false claim he is townie, he should drown in his own lies then sint: oh,and .. why so eager to vote? Im curious, too...
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Post by water_moon on Nov 24, 2008 21:20:09 GMT -5
about the info bar: sadly it's useful for all sorts of things and I can only say yes or no to all, not part of it, but I asked Ray if he wanted it gone and he did, so it is. It is a sntandard mafia game rule that log in times are inadmissable. Period. stop. end of story.
But as to that, there are several people here who are invisable, I know because they show to me with (invisable) after their name. But anyone can click on another person's name and see when they last logged in (unless they're invisable), even guests. So really, if some one were MUNCHKIN enough they could go down the list clicking on everyone's profiles. And being invisable it self isn't an admission of guilt because at least one person who isn't playing is and I know goltar was even when he was HOST.
Now, that said, why Naz? frankly he seems to be following in the steps of Muzz and Nac, he always has a role, just unlike those two, his tends to be on the town side. (RNGs be danged, even normaly nice rational math majors will "roll the 1s out" of dice)
@ skiffcz: Liquid is lynched if he's still alive by day 3, unless we're wacking mafia left and right ;D
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Post by bobthewarrior on Nov 24, 2008 21:34:13 GMT -5
@ BobTheWarrior- If you were the doc, would you have saved yourself the first night or went with a player that you believed might be targeted? Myself.
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Post by Liquid Evil on Nov 24, 2008 23:18:32 GMT -5
@le: Hello there. I have a one question for you. Are you a mafia? Dont laugh. Its not that stupid question. Since you’re new here, I’ll indulge you instead of ignoring this question outright. The short answer is no. The long answer is that I could basically say anything (that wasn’t a valid roleclaim) and it would satisfy exactly 0% of the mafia players if they were even halfway competent. Now since this town has a proven track record, one can deduce that we are far from incompetent. Since you are only certain of your own role if you were a townie, then you should color me the same as everyone else, “unsure for the time being.” If you’re mafia, then you already know what to color me. “Trouble.” From what I understand, townies started to kick *ss recently, so it would be a logical step to make some strong players like you the badz. “Strong players like me?” Since we have never met and I’ve never played a game with you, why would you assume that? Prepped by someone before the game start on who to look out for? And just because this bears repeating to all the newcomers…Mafia game roles are distributed randomly. That means that even if I had drawn a mafia role a consecutive 50 times before this game, I would still have the same odds as everyone else to get that same role again. Probability 101. So I would like to know - who do you think is a townie, based on your log time observations. The day is young and patience is a virtue. But it sounds to me like you want cleared. I'll make a note of that. Seriously, Youd be lynched on day one anyway, just for security reason - if you were mafia and we let you live, we would ask for some serious trouble ... I don’t get lynched “for security reasons.” I’m always either NK’ed or cleared by midgame. Like the others have said, if there hasn't been a successful lynch by Day 3 and if I’m still alive and unaccounted for, then I'll walk myself to the gallows if that's what the town thinks is the best solution (the same is also usually true for Sint). Or you can try your hand at it today if that’s what you believe is the right course of action. Save yourself - and the town Oh believe me; my mind is racing with the thoughts of townie salvation. @ Waspinator- Noticed anything suspicious from anyone yet? I'm also curious to what the other new players have to say on this. We can see if "beginner's luck" can cut through masquerading mafiosos. @ Water_moon- Who are you roleplaying this round and why? @ goltar- Come now, simply everyone loves my style. All seriousness aside, how finely tuned is your spouse radar?
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