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Post by soylentred on Sept 6, 2009 20:18:03 GMT -5
A ROLE CLAIM IS AHEAD. To quote my first message in this game: At least one of us is an investigative role for sure and i know asking for an early reveal is unfavorable but i might just do that. In these less crowded games the more we know sooner the better i think. While saying "i might just do that", i was actually meaning to make an early reveal myself. I have a semi-investigative role which allows me to learn if someone was active during the night. And my first investigation target turned out to be active during the first night. I only kept to myself because i believed that nole really forbid the mafia to make a NK and therefore the person i saw was actually a pro-town role. I chose Liquid as the inspection target during the second night to see if i can trust him. But at the start of the day i learned that i was BLOCKED. During the night skool got lynched i was blocked and i immediately assumed that i was blocked by an anti-town role. It made Liquid much more suspicious in my eyes since i was suspecting him to pick up my hint. Last night i inspected Liquid again, and guess what, he was ACTIVE. I really don't think he is a helpful townie at this point. Also the suspicion on me yesterday was due to my choosing skool aganist Ray. But today we learn that Ray was not mafia after all. What happens is merlin gets killed and Liquid makes a conclusion that i should be the one to kill him since i was after him. Saying 'At least one of us is an investigative role for sure and i know asking for an early reveal is unfavorable but i might just do that.' Saying you might just do that here means I might just ask for an early reveal - you can't make it mean by this I meant to make an early reveal. What you said meant what you said when you said it. Also this game is wide open with no roles given us by Nole, wide open to claim any role you like, or hint that you want someone to role claim, or after you have hinted you might ask for a role claim to claim later that was you saying you had a claim to make.
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Post by FIREHORSE on Sept 6, 2009 21:01:57 GMT -5
Melin huh? That was definately unexpected for me. First of all i must say that almost everything i said in my previous post was an act from me not to get myself killed. I only meant what i said about doc protecting herself. Most important thing i said to stay alive was trusting Liq, i have been suspicious of Liquid for some time in this game. It was only 'gut' feeling at first but last day things got a bit more clear to me. I can only pinpoint to his message "I'm crucified for trying to save my mafia partner,". It seems like a friendly remark but i thought it was a well put psychological comment saying us he is not mafia. Of course this is no evidence aganist him but it has been disturbing me for the whole day. A ROLE CLAIM IS AHEAD. To quote my first message in this game: At least one of us is an investigative role for sure and i know asking for an early reveal is unfavorable but i might just do that. In these less crowded games the more we know sooner the better i think. While saying "i might just do that", i was actually meaning to make an early reveal myself. I have a semi-investigative role which allows me to learn if someone was active during the night. And my first investigation target turned out to be active during the first night. I only kept to myself because i believed that nole really forbid the mafia to make a NK and therefore the person i saw was actually a pro-town role. I was also aware that what i said was a hint of me having a role and tried to understand if anyone would respond. I am mostly sure that Liquid has picked my hiny thought i had a role since all of his questions directed to me were as if we valued my opinion of others. I read his questions as if he was looking for a second hint from me. I decided to keep quiter for the rest of the day and although i had my doubts second night made it more clear to me that Liq was one of the mafiosos. I chose Liquid as the inspection target during the second night to see if i can trust him. But at the start of the day i learned that i was BLOCKED. During the night skool got lynched i was blocked and i immediately assumed that i was blocked by an anti-town role. It made Liquid much more suspicious in my eyes since i was suspecting him to pick up my hint. I was aware that i was not going to get Liq lynched with only these therefore i needed to be sure. I did everything i can to stay alive last night. I tried not to be seen as a danger to the mafia. Also since i was hoping that the person i inspected the first night was the doc, i also needed the doc to survive the night to verify me today. Last night i inspected Liquid again, and guess what, he was ACTIVE. I really don't think he is a helpful townie at this point. Also the suspicion on me yesterday was due to my choosing skool aganist Ray. But today we learn that Ray was not mafia after all. What happens is merlin gets killed and Liquid makes a conclusion that i should be the one to kill him since i was after him. Actually i was thinking that it would be hard to get Liq lynched even if he turned out to be active at night. But that play is definately not you Liq. You are voting me because i am merlin's main antogonist!! Come on, even if it is less noisy that your regular game you could have come up with something better. vote:LiquidThis may or may not be wise to say however Nac I believe you. I think you are a town however I will keep quiet as to my reasons for that belief at this time. Liquid was #2 on my suspect list after Ray and he apparently is first on yours so that may be where my vote goes as well. For the moment I'll dwell on things a little more in the event I change my mind. For now that is the direction I am leaning as mafia. I do think and have said already that we have 2 mafia only. If I were designing this game given the small numbers I would have only 2........
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Post by FIREHORSE on Sept 6, 2009 21:09:09 GMT -5
Ok now I see that Nac Runno has a vote against him. At this point I am going to stick my head on the chopping block and request that if you are Town NOT to cast any more votes for Nac.
You may say I am allying myself with him. So we are both mafia or both townies. You be the judge. If I were mafia (Or you were in my position) would you come out and risk losing the game at this point? The common sense of this request should scream Town.
The question then becomes who is the 3rd Townie?
Who is left in this game? FBZ, Soy, Firehorse, Nac, LE.......and I missing someone?
If LE is the 3rd town I guess we are screwed - otherwise and Soy has already voted.
My only option is the jump on Nac's band wagon and vote along with him.
Vote: Liquid Evil
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Post by FIREHORSE on Sept 6, 2009 21:10:26 GMT -5
Correction:
"And I missing someone"
Should read "Am I missing someone"
My apologies - lousy brain
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Post by FIREHORSE on Sept 6, 2009 21:14:59 GMT -5
We have all voted except for LE.
I think LE & Soylent are the mafia. FBZ voted for Soy....so I assume 1 is mafia and 1 not. I'm convinced Nac is Town. I know I am Town.
Since Soy voted for someone I think is Town.......the odds favour that she is the other mafia IMO however it is still a toss up between Soy & FBZ.
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Post by FIREHORSE on Sept 6, 2009 21:17:54 GMT -5
Hmmmmm I see We HAVE all voted and LE & Soy both voted Nac......which most likely means we have lost the game.
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Post by FIREHORSE on Sept 6, 2009 21:21:37 GMT -5
Firehorse's Friendly Rant:
PS: I HATE that tie breaker rule that is constant in these mafia games. I am victimized because of the time zone in which I live. When day begins I am always sound asleep and unable to post. Thus I can never get my vote in early.
Not sure there is a better/another/alternate way of breaking ties........but I will think on it.
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Post by soylentred on Sept 6, 2009 21:49:44 GMT -5
Well Nac said he was maybe, might going to role claim.
At this point I will just do it.
I am the bus driver.
Night 1 I switched Ray and Firehorse
Night 2 I made Liquid and Sitro switch seats
Night 3 I switched seats with Merlin.
So Nac are you sure what you saw was what you saw or was someone else driving the bus at the time?
I wonder in your powers of what you would see Nac, if you would see people changing places and that is the activity you see at night.
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Post by FIREHORSE on Sept 6, 2009 23:20:57 GMT -5
I must be missing something.........cause hasn't mafia already won this game....??
The only way they haven't is if Nac is mafia..........
Which would mean that Soy & LE are Town and Nac and FBZ are the mafia.
Argh.
Soylent - if you are town..... It makes no sense that FBZ and Liquid are on the same team - so that would infer that one of them is aligned with Nac.
Since LE voted for Nac it would probably be FBZ.
The vote split makes little sense though, Nac and FBZ did not vote for the same person.
I am fairly sure that Nac is Town (Or highly intuitive) and according to the rules he will be lynched unless either you or LE switches your vote off of him.
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Post by Liquid Evil on Sept 6, 2009 23:43:18 GMT -5
That’s a pretty elaborate post Nac, but I see that you were careful not to call yourself a cop/tracker/investigator. Didn’t feel like committing to an actual title, eh? That’s probably safer, but since you ventured out this far onto the ice, I guess we can assume that the real one is no longer with us, yes? Did merlin go quietly into that good night or did you drag him kicking and screaming?
While we’re doing some roleclaiming, I’ll call your bluff and show my hand as well. Full house. I’m the Townie Immortal. I am only vulnerable to NK’s; I am immune to townie lynching.
@ The town- Side with the more powerful role claim in this case (Nac’s load of bunk) and vote for me. No worries; I don’t mind. The remaining townies won’t appreciate my role until tomorrow when it is verified at daybreak, so I encourage everyone to put it to the test. But! When I open the lid on my casket and smile at Nac when the day begins, I want him swinging from a tree--lynched tomorrow--as a confirmed mafioso. Sound fair, Nac?
unvote: Nacruno Vote: Liquid Evil
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Post by Nac Runo on Sept 7, 2009 4:24:04 GMT -5
First of all i must say that almost everything i said in my previous post was an act from me not to get myself killed. I only meant what i said about doc protecting herself. I will need to re-read the posts until now but i will say what i meant by doc verifying me. I was hoping Soy to come forward as the doc. My first investigation target was Soy and she turned out to be active. Using "her" in my above quote was no mistake on my part. Since the blocker was lynched and i was the investigator, i thought Soy can only be the doc but guess i was wrong. I still don't think coming forward was a mistake since it was at the beginning of the day and we still have quite some to discuss things. My role title is Town Drunk and my targets were: 1)Soy 2)Liq (blocked) 3)Liq We are 5 people remaining, since the game is still going on it there should be only 2 mafia members left. My initial thought was that Liq and FBZ was mafia. But Soy's 1st night targets make me wonder if Firehorse was the one blocked on night 1. Since there are 2 mafia players, i think it is very likely that nole didn't force a no NK on the first night.
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Post by FIREHORSE on Sept 7, 2009 7:03:48 GMT -5
So just to clarify Soylent, LE and Nac have all claimed Town - WTF? That leaves myself and FBZ as mafia and I know I am nor mafia so either somebody is lying or we have just ONE mafia.
Does anyone think that likely?
FBZ the lone mafia?
LE's role claim will easily be verified and if he were mafia he really had the game in the bag. The fact that he changed his vote should make him a confirmed Town.
Since he and Nac were adversaries that rather vaults Nac to the top of the suspect list however I know Nac is at least being partially truthful.
If the numbers are 3-2 for the Town and LE is lynched but not lynched and survives the night as he claims, we will have a 2 on 2 game by morning.
Do we buy LE's claim and stick with this? Lynching him?
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Post by FIREHORSE on Sept 7, 2009 7:07:01 GMT -5
I want to say something - but I cannot....................a lot of tongue biting going on right now.
I'd like to see all 4 of you finger point (Even if its at me) and voice some opinions.
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Post by soylentred on Sept 7, 2009 7:52:52 GMT -5
First of all i must say that almost everything i said in my previous post was an act from me not to get myself killed. I only meant what i said about doc protecting herself. I will need to re-read the posts until now but i will say what i meant by doc verifying me. I was hoping Soy to come forward as the doc. My first investigation target was Soy and she turned out to be active. Using "her" in my above quote was no mistake on my part. Since the blocker was lynched and i was the investigator, i thought Soy can only be the doc but guess i was wrong. I still don't think coming forward was a mistake since it was at the beginning of the day and we still have quite some to discuss things. My role title is Town Drunk and my targets were: 1)Soy 2)Liq (blocked) 3)Liq We are 5 people remaining, since the game is still going on it there should be only 2 mafia members left. My initial thought was that Liq and FBZ was mafia. But Soy's 1st night targets make me wonder if Firehorse was the one blocked on night 1. Since there are 2 mafia players, i think it is very likely that nole didn't force a no NK on the first night. Nac answers please, 1. By this post are you saying you only posted whatever you had to to cover your *ss? So we can't trust what you posted before? 2. Two mafia? Or there may only be 1 mafia left - is that possible? Nac again I am finding what you say confusing/untruthful. 3. You say you are the drunk and I was your first target - I was town drunk IAG so I know how this works - do you mean you asked if I could sober you up? Is that right? If I was you would have been told you are now sober or you would have been told sorry you are still drunk. How does that equate with you wanting me to reveal myself as the doctor and why would that be a good thing? If you are the drunk - you would know yourself if I am the doc or not. 4. Are you saying you got sober and at what point did that happen - you should know if it happened to you. 5. You are saying you are the town drunk and your first investigation showed me to be active - that is not how town drunk works at all. You fish around to get sober and then you only get answers as to allegiance not night activities. I don't buy this claim. As a previous town drunk I am able to call you out on this one. 6. How does any of this claim of yours work with the fact that we have a switcher and a blocker in the game? I need to reread the posts too and decide if we grant Liquid's wish and lynch him or all switch to Nac ASAP.
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Post by Nac Runo on Sept 7, 2009 14:08:42 GMT -5
Sorry for the long post but bear with me. First of all about Liq's challenge. I am 100% sure that he is not what he claims to be. Because i said that i saw him active last night and his claim doesn't seem to have any night activity. And since our "bus driver" didn't mention any switching of Liq last night the person i saw active MUST be Liq. There is no such case that both Liq and i am townie. If we go ahead and lynch Liq, and he turns out to be what he claims he is, then by all means you can lynch me tomorrow. FIREHORSE: There is no possibility that everyone is telling the truth. You should just decide who is bluffing and who is not. @soy: 1. How did you make such a conclusion from that post? Everything i said since the beginning of the day has been the truth. I am saying that the town can win over the mafia only if other townies believe me and i am working my *ss to come up with as solid evidence as i can to prove my role. 2. I am saying that there should be only 2 mafia left. What is confusing with that? Do you think it would have been better if we think there is 1 mafia left and it turns out to be 2 instead? I believe that the town should think of the worst possible scenario to survive. If we assume there is 2 mafia left and it turns out to be only one mafia then there is no harm for the town. I think you are the only one confusing there. 3. First of all, i said the title of my role is the Town Drunk. And in my previous post i said that my role allows me to check if someone was active every night. These are everything there is to my role, nothing else. The meaning to my role is that i watch the streets every night and i can remember if i saw a specific person at night. But since i am so drunk i can't recall if that person was working for the mafia or for the town. The town drunk you mention to have is totally different than the role i possess. That sobering up town drunk role was something i have not experienced before. In short, your knowledge of town drunk from the previous role has nothing to do with my claim. 4. Read above. 5. Read above, i never said i have the role you previously had and i don't understand how you call me out on something i didn't claim to have. 6. The blocker doesn't have anything to do with my role results since i either get blocked and can't make an investigation (this is what happened on night 2 even though skool was lynched beforehand, which makes me almost certaion that there is another blocker in this game), or my target is inactive due to being blocked but since both the targets i saw were active this is not something we need to discuss currently. The switcher can of course make my readings invalid but since none of the targets you listed matches with my targets it shouldn't be the case so far. I'm sorry I have been trying to follow you but this does not make sense how can the doctor confirm your role? 7. Here is what i thought; i inspected you the first night and you turned out to be active. But i was assuming that nole forbid NK on the first night so no mafia member was going to be active in my reasoning. Making me to think that you were an active townie i saw. How this is going to veryify me you ask. I inserted a hint to my role claim saying that you were the one i saw active on night one. I will quote myself again on this: I only meant what i said about doc protecting herself. Before you even claimed to have a role i said that the doc is a SHE. I was hoping that such a hint was enough to earn the towns trust. After all you are the only SHE in this game and i can know of your role only if i am telling the truth. I was wrong in my assumption as you being the doc your claim tells that i was right about you being active on night 1. This should be the proof of my role as seeing night activity but not exact role. This should be all the questions i guess, if anyone has anything else i would be glad to answer. Now, i have a few questions of my own. @soy: 1. Do you role has any power to change NK target. Meaning do you claim to have saved yourself last night by switching merlin and yourself since merlin got NK'ed? 2. What do you think of your first night targets? You switched Ray with Firehorse and we lynched ray because he was blocked the first night. If you claim is true that skool must have blocked Firehorse instead. Yet you never questioned anything about Firehorse even though you were the only one knowing the truth about skool's claim. Two things i know is that (1) Liquid is not telling the truth with his role, therefore he should be mafia. (2) Soy was active the first night but that doesn't make her mafia or bus driver.
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