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Post by water_moon on Mar 17, 2009 14:40:55 GMT -5
WTF is up with that? Can we say WTF on here? Yes. What The Fudge and Son Of a Booger or their initals are both allowed (provided the second is not directed at some one.)
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Post by Noodle on Mar 17, 2009 19:45:32 GMT -5
Soylent, I have read your posts - they're what led to my questions. Here's one of yours: We have no information to base a lynch on but here goes vote SintYou're not playing logically, and we're going to lose if we play like that. We have to use dispassionate reason to outwit the mafia. You'll note I haven't cast a vote for you - I'm making the most of the time we have to collect data. You, on the other hand, reacted passionately to my questions, but didn't directly answer them. You seem, to the best I can ascertain, to be basing your votes on pure emotion rather than logic. When I've seen that in the past from others, more often than not the emotion has been panic from a mafia member. Maybe that's just you - I don't know, I haven't played enough games with you to get a good feel for what your normal playstyle is. That's why I keep asking you questions. I'm not attacking you personally, just trying to find out what I can about you, so I can move on and examine others. To the rest of the group - am I wasting my time trying to figure her out? Nolecub, you've claimed a townie role, and with no one counterclaiming, I'm inclined to believe you for the time being. What is your take on Soylent? Let's make the most of this ooportunity, please. With such a small group, I have to believe we're close to a win or a loss.
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Post by Noodle on Mar 17, 2009 19:46:14 GMT -5
Firehorse, Sint, what are your takes on Soylent?
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Post by soylentred on Mar 17, 2009 21:27:54 GMT -5
Soylent, I have read your posts - they're what led to my questions. Here's one of yours: We have no information to base a lynch on but here goes vote SintYou're not playing logically, and we're going to lose if we play like that. We have to use dispassionate reason to outwit the mafia. You'll note I haven't cast a vote for you - I'm making the most of the time we have to collect data. You, on the other hand, reacted passionately to my questions, but didn't directly answer them. You seem, to the best I can ascertain, to be basing your votes on pure emotion rather than logic. When I've seen that in the past from others, more often than not the emotion has been panic from a mafia member. Maybe that's just you - I don't know, I haven't played enough games with you to get a good feel for what your normal playstyle is. That's why I keep asking you questions. I'm not attacking you personally, just trying to find out what I can about you, so I can move on and examine others. To the rest of the group - am I wasting my time trying to figure her out? Nolecub, you've claimed a townie role, and with no one counterclaiming, I'm inclined to believe you for the time being. What is your take on Soylent? Let's make the most of this ooportunity, please. With such a small group, I have to believe we're close to a win or a loss. What would you define as a logical move on the first day with no information? I did have a reason for the vote I did which I can not explain now. I did not believe Sint to be scum because I had no information - I placed a vote where I thought it would do little harm. I did not answer your questions because as I stated I had answered them in the previous pages of discussion that you were not here for. You may choose to think my style illogical if you wish. I don't think it is. One thing you can say - when I sign up for a game I am there for it and post as much as possible and try to help my side in every way I can. At the end of the game there will be full and frank discussion and then you can say I am illogical but not before then. I don't think I can be criticized for my style which rains flak upon myself by the very act of posting against non posters who offend no one. You can say we are going to lose if we play illogically but you can not know others logic. I however can promise you we will lose if we have a bad lynch. Lynching me is a bad move for the town. Also you can not claim to be the bearer of dispassionate reason or make a plea that we use it as long as you have used the term 'bipolar antics' in a post about anyone.
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Post by FIREHORSE on Mar 17, 2009 22:44:01 GMT -5
Firehorse, Sint, what are your takes on Soylent? My take on Soylent is that she is town. All I can say is this. Its my third game. I said she was town in game one. I pegged her as Mafia last game and was right both times. She's giving town vibes again in my opinion. If she were Mafia I would expect her defense to be less enthusiastic. Sint you were totally off my radar until today. There seems to be a Noleclub, Sint & Noodle alliance in my opinion. Read the posts. Sint calls me out for voting for Noodle and then votes for me - in my perception as a retaliation for my vote on Noodle. And Noleclub, Noodle & Sint are all over Soylentred. If we lynch a townie it will seriously damnation the town. We gotta get this one right. All the inactivity on Day #1 did not help the Town. I said that before. My against Noodle was for inactivity. I have said before, I don't live in North America and am at a disadvantage in a way. When the day is ending and a flurry of posts are made it is 4AM here and I'm not awake. When day starts same thing and I must sift through posts to learn what transpired. If I were Mafia with the game basically on the line I might make an aggressive move and try to drum up support for getting a townie lynch, which is what I see is going on here with all the attack on Soylent, essentially from a trio of posters. I think its safer to bust an alliance than kill a 1 legged horse.
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Post by FIREHORSE on Mar 17, 2009 22:46:32 GMT -5
While I have the time, I'm going back over the posts and see if my perception changes. Sint if you ARE Town. I suggest you reconsider your vote.
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Post by FIREHORSE on Mar 17, 2009 23:09:44 GMT -5
After going over the posts again I will recant my attack on Noleclub and say that for now i will buy his role claim. I have no good reason not to buy it.
For me Mafia looks like Sint/Noodle Naz OR Sint/Noodle/Ludicras
To those named I'd LOVE to hear a sound defense.
Sint - I had considered removing my vote from Noodle and probably would have if you had not cast a vote for me. However doing so at this point would be bad stratey on my part.
You've done to me what you have accused me of doing. You stated I voted for Noodle with no valid reason. i did provide my reason. At the time we had few posts. That has since changed. But so has the dynamic of the game.
I want the Town to win. Your vote on me will not accomplish that goal. You provided no reason for voting for me. You stated you suspect 2 others but threw a vote out in left field at me for no good reason - other than stating that you did not agree with my vote on Nooodle~~~~~~
Oh Brother. Examine your actions? Does that seem Mafia like to you?
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Post by FIREHORSE on Mar 17, 2009 23:11:54 GMT -5
"Strategy" Sorry for the typo. I wish we could edit spelling errors/typos.
Makes us look illtaret and I hate thet.
Apologies......
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Post by sint on Mar 18, 2009 4:06:36 GMT -5
Finally something is getting into gear. Read the posts. Sint calls me out for voting for Noodle and then votes for me - in my perception as a retaliation for my vote on Noodle. And Noleclub, Noodle & Sint are all over Soylentred. If we lynch a townie it will seriously darn the town. We gotta get this one right. All the inactivity on Day #1 did not help the Town. I said that before. My against Noodle was for inactivity. If you have reread the post you will know that that ''vote for inactivity'' was EXACTLY why I voted for you. I don't care it was for noodle, in fact.. I'll come to that later. I'll grab your other post first, that was a decent one: After going over the posts again I will recant my attack on Noleclub and say that for now i will buy his role claim. I have no good reason not to buy it. For me Mafia looks like Sint/Noodle Naz OR Sint/Noodle/Ludicras To those named I'd LOVE to hear a sound defense. Defend myself from what? The stuff you wrote in the above quote? At least I stated my reasons for voting and did so accordingly. When I do something I always back it up. I have nothing to defend against, you have nothing on me. I can understand where you're comming from, but you should at least get your facts straight. Sint - I had considered removing my vote from Noodle and probably would have if you had not cast a vote for me. However doing so at this point would be bad stratey on my part. You've done to me what you have accused me of doing. You stated I voted for Noodle with no valid reason. i did provide my reason. At the time we had few posts. That has since changed. But so has the dynamic of the game. Wrong. I did back up the vote. And it worked. My voting got exactly out of you what I wanted. You processed the game, rethought your vote and backed it up this time. Voting for lack of posts is a terrible way to lose this game. But...... I want the Town to win. Your vote on me will not accomplish that goal. You provided no reason for voting for me. You stated you suspect 2 others but threw a vote out in left field at me for no good reason - other than stating that you did not agree with my vote on Nooodle~~~~~~ Oh Brother. Examine your actions? Does that seem Mafia like to you? Yes, and now that you did your thing I can [/b]unvote fire[/b]. I think your wrong in your conclusions (because I know I'm town), but at least we're getting somewhere. ---- Firehorse, Sint, what are your takes on Soylent? I won't call her town, but she's a good asset to keep around. At least she's posting and while being active generating discussion. I severly dislike the PM stuff, but aparently it took that to get you out in the open. Which is good. noodle 2 (fire, soy) soy 1 (nole) fire 1 (sint) That was the score before my post. I think I'll have to figure it out... Last time I said one of nole/noodle is likely to be mafia. With nole claiming jailkeeper that's basically it for noodle. I also said 2 out of soy/fire/luda/naz. Luda and naz both have dropped completely of the map. Which likely means one of them is mafia. Which means the other one is soy or fire. I'm not going to assume we're in such a terrible shape that we already lost the jailkeeper and nole is making a fake claim cruising through the game on a free ticket. The bad thing is that I can't really use my vote again to pressure someone into talking. I would really like to see naz and luda show up, read and vote accoringly, but I can't vote either of them. Just like yesterday soy is not the best target for today, but just like yesterday she is still a target. Fire, you're playing a good game (even though I still think your voting method is bad), so I'm not going to vote you either. vote noodleAccording to my own post #71, this is good. Noodle, can you give a suspicion list on everyone playing? Suspicious or not, please make a little write up on everyone. This should be good. At least we'll have a clear lynch today. If we lose because noodle isn't mafia I'll take my hat off to the mafia. Then we lost without hitting at least one mafia. --- Now that I think of hitting a mafia. I'd like everyone to give an oppinion on who do you think is mafia is noodle turns up mafia too. Should give the vig a good idea who to hit. I'll hold off for a couple of hours.. just not want to go first with reason. (It will be between luda or naz though..)
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Post by FIREHORSE on Mar 18, 2009 4:59:59 GMT -5
Sint - If you suspect Ludicras or Naz as Mafia - one of them. I'll lay my odds on Naz over Ludicras. Why? Ludicras' playing style is identical to last game where he was Town. Naz's style has changed. He was active last game and largely absent now.
I'm leaving my vote on Noodle. Sint you are playing smart as well regardless of whether you are Town or Mafia. I can see an upside to your vote in either case. Fool Firehorse or support Firehorse.
Mafia: Nazdakka, Noodle & Ludicras?
The problem with that theory is that these 3 are the most silent posters. Noodle tops my list at this point and I'm thinking either Naz or Ludicras or both are the other 2.
It makes more sense that at least 1 active poster is out there finger pointing and doing the dirty work while the others sit back and attempt a mafia victory.
Firing Squad:
1. Noodle 2. Naz 3. Ludicras
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Post by FIREHORSE on Mar 18, 2009 5:04:32 GMT -5
Oh and one more thing - If I 100% believe everything you just wrote Sint, then you are Town and not allied with Noodle as I previously thought.
OR - If you are Mafia (Assuming Noodle is as well) You realize Noodle's ship is sinking and don't wish to be on it. A vote switch could grant you favour and lesson suspicion that I previously had with you.
Tap tap tap......
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that we are on the same side.
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Post by ludacris on Mar 18, 2009 6:58:31 GMT -5
I only played one game before here so I don't really know your styles. I don't think inactivity is a reason someone is maffia. There are many reasons to not post a lot. True I dropped of the radar if you'd like to call it that but I'm still here reading the posts and trying to figure out what's going on.
I must say it's hard for me to determine who's who in this game and a wrong lynch basicly means the town loses.
I think sint is doing his best to get a maffia lynch and he appears pro town to me. We'll see what happens when we hit a maffia lynch though. Nothing guarenteed for the next round.
I'm not sure on the others. Nazdaka is also 'off the radar' so I'd like something from him aswell.
As far as my list goes. *At the moment*
1. noodle 2. naz 3. soy.
I will cast my vote later since I'd like to hear something from naz and I got to go to work. I'll be back about 4 hours before night starts. So dont worry.
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Post by soylentred on Mar 18, 2009 10:23:44 GMT -5
Sint your unvote of firehorse was not bolded before you switched to Noodle. You should fix that or I might think it was intentional.
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Post by soylentred on Mar 18, 2009 10:30:24 GMT -5
Fire I am agreeing with your views on myself as town, on Sint as playing a good game who the jury is still out on, Naz as suspicious and suspiciously absent.
I do NOT agree with your opinion on Nole and I am not believing his role claim yet - it came right out of the blue when he was in no danger.
I totally agree with this that you said: (from Firehorse) ... 'The problem with that theory is that these 3 are the most silent posters. Noodle tops my list at this point and I'm thinking either Naz or Ludicras or both are the other 2.
It makes more sense that at least 1 active poster is out there finger pointing and doing the dirty work while the others sit back and attempt a mafia victory.'
I too believe we have 1 very actively posting mafia and 2 sitting back being fairly safe. I also believe we have a fair amount of deadwood for a game so small and that is not good for the town.
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Post by sint on Mar 18, 2009 10:41:57 GMT -5
I guess I can make a mistake too..
unvote fire
vote noodle
I'll leave it at that for now, I'll be around untill the end of the day to watch last minute changes and hopefully some more discussion before that.
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